PDD failed for the 3rd time and I honestly don't know where to go from here

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    zkoita (Edited )

    Hey there Anonymous123
    Judging by your percentages... I feel like you aren't far! I'd really like to know what your scaled scores are. those provide a far more accurate picture of how close you are to passing. just know, that if you are around the 525 range, you only missed it by 1-2 questions.

    I have found Elif's ARE questions of invaluable help. Ive passed 4/6 with PPD and PDD remaining and plan to use her questions and videos.


    Amber book is a great resource to strengthen your concepts.


    Elif's questions hones and fine tunes them by making you read and scrutinize every question. This is especially important when you are so close to passing. Her questions will give you the edge because some of them are just hard. You will have the same reaction " where the hell did this come from?!" But trust me... it's the only reason I passed PCM and PA on my third try after getting super close using Amber book. Amber book will get you there, Elif will push you over the edge. She builds the good kind of paranoia and makes you hyper aware of each word.

    Hope this helps and wish you the best of luck!  :) You didn't come this far, just to come this far!

    Edit: Plugged in your scores into AmberBook's Calculator. Man, that stings.. but you can do it !!!!

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    kkgalicinao

    I’m really sorry...you’ve clearly put in a lot of work, and having a power outage in the middle of the exam only added to an already stressful experience. Since you’ve passed the other five divisions, you’ve already proven you can do this!

    At this point, it may be less about studying more and more about identifying the specific PDD areas that are consistently giving you trouble. Try using your score reports to find patterns, then focus your next round of studying on understanding the concepts and how to apply them rather than trying to cover every possible detail. PDD is broad, and you’re never going to feel like you know everything that could appear.

    Give yourself some time to reset before deciding what’s next. You’re one division away - don’t let this attempt convince you that the progress you’ve already made doesn’t count!

    Good luck!

    Kiara | Black Spectacles | Community

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    ignaciomingo

    Cheer up, don't give up. If this is any encouragement, I passed PA on my 6th attempt in a 3-year span. My score reports were wilder and, in a couple, occasions I did waaay worse in some areas AFTER studying, which was obviously confusing, frustrating, and disappointing. In some exams I also got the most bizarre Where did this even come from?!?! questions. 

    Take a breath, keep studying. At the end I feel I learned a lot more, and it stuck, from all the studying. I also knew most of the information and did well on practice exams, but, for many reasons (including strange questions throwing me off, then rushing, + exam anxiety etc, etc...)  I wasn't able to synthesize all of what I knew to get enough right answers, until I did. Like other people in this thread have said, there are many great resources but don't overwhelm yourself. Pick one. There's a few on time management and reading through the question (identifying key words, unnecessary information and distractors). 

    I personally noticed that I would keep thinking about those weird questions that I had flagged and return to them several times to change my guess. One great think I started doing was taking a lot of short hydration/snack break (fuel for the brain!) after an x number of questions worked for me. Since they lock, I'd be able to "let go" of those weird questions. Don't "let go" the exams just yet! Think about rescheduling your retake as soon as you're allowed so you don't forget all you know and you don't feel overwhelmed by the idea of months studying. Good luck!

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    Anonymous123 (Edited )

    zkoita

    Thank you so much for this!! I really appreciate the encouragement. ❤️ I haven’t tried Elif’s questions yet, so I’m definitely going to look into that. And thank you for pointing out the scaled score. I honestly haven't paid much attention to that in the past, but just saw today that I got a 525! Thanks for placing my numbers in. Falling short by 1 question feels awful though!! 😭

    Also, the “you didn’t come this far just to come this far” definitely hit. 😂 I think I’m just really discouraged because I have been close for a while, but I can’t seem to get over that last hurdle.

    kkgalicinao

    Thank you so much, Kiara! ❤️ I really appreciate this. I think you’re right that I need to step back, look at the patterns in my reports, and focus on application rather than trying to learn everything. I’m definitely going to give myself some time to reset before deciding what’s next.

    ignaciomingo

    Thank you so much for sharing this! Passing PA on your 6th attempt gives me some hope and makes me feel like I'm not alone.❤️ I can relate so much to the weird questions throwing me off and then second-guessing myself. I think I definitely need to work on that part of the exam since I am tempted to go back and change answers. I have observed in practice exams that I've regretted going back and changing answers more often than not. Really appreciate the advice!

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    Canelo

     

    I'm sorry, that power outage thing on top of everything else is brutal. 3 fails after passing the other 5 is such a specific kind of frustrating too, like you clearly know how to study for this exam, PDD is just a different beast

    I passed CE and PDD this summer and PDD genuinely felt the hardest of the two, not because I didn't know the material but because the questions come at it sideways compared to how the study material teaches it. I

    what actually changed things for me was switching to AREna and just doing a ton of their practice questions. not more content, I felt like I'd already read enough content at that point. it was more reps of "here's a weird scenario, now pick between two answers that both sound right," which is basically the actual skill PDD is testing and not something rereading notes fixes

    your 80 on NCARB and 74 on Amber Book practice exams tells me you know the material, so I really don't think this is a knowledge gap. it might just be that specific application/synthesis muscle that needs different reps than what you've been doing. that's fixable without starting from zero

    good luck!

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    CBanks3

    Took PDD today...got the big fat Fail...It stings.  I felt really good answering the questions and had plenty of time to review.  I'm planning the retake in 60 days.  Reach out so we can chat a study plan to get over the hump.

    Cheers.
    CBIII

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    Emka1981

    Hi! Looking to take PDD in December!! Maybe we can chat to come up with a study plan

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    Canelo

    Emka, happy to help you put a plan together. If this is a retake, start with your score report and choose the weakest areas; if it’s your first attempt, take the NCARB practice exam to get a baseline. Then use practice questions to work through those topics and review why each answer is right or wrong. What have you used so far, and is December your first PDD attempt?

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    Emka1981 (Edited )

    Hi Canelo, This would be my first attempt and I am using the books Ncarb suggested and going through the PPD content areas in the guidelines but feel a bit lost in putting the study plan on how much in depth I need to go for each area. I think I’ll start with the practice exam first.

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    Ralph Hale

    Canelo and Emka1981 - one thing to be aware of:

    For PPD and PDD, some sections of the exam are much more important than others - below is an excerpt from Pg. 99 of the current Guidelines.  PDD is pg. 98 - 104, but if you haven't read them recently, there have been enough changes in the past 6 months to be worth skimming most of the Guidelines as a whole.  At minimum, read through PDD's pages before you get too far into things.  

    The takeaway once you read through the Section and sub-Section Objective descriptions in the Guidelines is that Section 5: Construction Cost Estimates is rarely worth much time for most people (don't skip studying it, but it should never be a set of topics you spend much time on as they are fairly difficult to learn and you will see at most 8, usually around 4 questions covering them).  For most people most of the time, Project Manual and Specifications is a set of topics that is highest-yield - there are few topics to learn there and most of them are pretty easy to learn.  Most people spend most of their study time in Section 1 and Section 2 - there are the most questions there - but 1 and 2 also cover by far the most possible topics on almost any Section across the ARE.  Integration of Building Materials and Systems can have questions on almost any building material or system you might use.  Construction Documentation is how you document those materials and systems, plus site elements, communication standards, and contractual obligations around documentation!  You have to do reasonably well in Section 1 and 2 to pass, but PDD's passing range is 58-66% of scored questions correct.  Most people pass by scoring around 55% on average between Section 1 and 2, and running up their score in 3, 4, and/or 5 to bring their average over the cut score line - remember that you don't have to pass all the Sections to pass the exam, your total score is all that matters!

    Best,
    Ralph, the Amber Book Team

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    fallfest2011

    I have had the very same experience. I felt really good about taking the PDD last week, for the 3rd time, and failed again. It isn't helpful that NCARB doesn't let you know where you failed. Knowing the percentages in the content areas doesn't help you to learn where your failures are.  At least with test exams, they explain WHY an answer is wrong; then you can understand and do better. But not having that as a tool, is really a disservice to test takers. I have passed all but PPD &  PDD. I passed both PPD & PDD practice exams with very high scores (after having taken them more than once) but still failed the exams. It's very disheartening.

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    Emka1981

    Thank you Ralph for the info. Completely agree that the failure score reports don't necessarily provide useful information for test takers. I will be taking same 2 tests soon (PPD/PDD) so if you would like to do study sessions/ practice questions together, please reach out! I'm on the East coast and am available to study week nights and Saturdays.

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