Glass for safety / Stronger!!!

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    JCorrington

    If this is from a practice question, post the actual question and the choices.

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    Kyussuf

    It's actually not from NCARB practice exam.. but here's the full question if you can help.. TY.

    The owner of a IIB manufacturing plant is working with an architect to complete an
    observation deck addition over their production line.  If the client is worried about the glass
    breaking in the windows overseeing the line, which types of glass should the architect
    specify?  (Pick Three)
    a. Annealed Glass
    b. Tempered Glass
    c. Heat-Treated Glass
    d. Laminated Glass
    e. Fire-Rated Glass
    f. Safety Glass

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    JCorrington

    The best answer is laminated. Laminated is the strongest and stays together when it breaks. It's what you colloquially call safety glass. Tempered is second strongest. Honestly idk what the correct answer is meant to be since like you said, D & F are the same thing and the best answer. I assume this question is not from Ncarb.

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    GiselleCastillo (Edited )

    (b) Tempered glass should be enough based on the scenario.  If I am not mistaken, there are some sort of redundancy in the possible answer. Tempered and Laminated glass are heat -treated glass, and  them both, are safety glasses. 

    Hope this helps

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    Kyussuf

    I know, but question asks for 3 answers. and they suggested: B,C,F
    though they're both safety glass anyway! that's why I'm confused!

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    abruno168

    The main point to focus on here for me would be reducing the likelihood of glass breaking and falling onto the line as the client's top concern.

    • Annealed - breaks in large shards
    • Tempered - breaks into small pieces
    • Heat-treated - resists breaking and stays in the frame
    • Laminated - holds together when broken
    • Fire-rated - appropriate for applications needing fire resistance/protection
    • Safety - category of glass

    Process of elimination leads me to believe that Tempered/Heat-treated/Laminated would be the best options. Safety glass is the overarching category with specific types (tempered, etc), fire-rated isn't a concern (II-B construction). Heat-treated and laminated are best to resist breaking and falling on the line. For the last two options, the safest would be temprered that breaks into smaller fragments vs annealed that breaks into larger pieces.

    Few sources I found in relation: annealed v. tempered, laminated and fire-rated, heat-treated, etc

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    Kyussuf

    Thanks a lot abruno168 for your thorough explanation. I guess you're done testing already!

    but the answer eliminates laminated glass for the following: The answer says: Laminated glass is not as strong as annealed glass, but when it breaks the plastic holds the glass shards in place to minimize dangerous loose shards. 

    Which really confusing me.

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    JCorrington

    Just remember the properties of the types of glass. This is badly written question.

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    Kyussuf

    I know, it’s trying to match the actual ARE! smh.

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    elmorain (Edited )

    Nothing wrong with the question. As someone else pointed out, window overlooks production line. That is the critical piece of information, telling you needed performance criteria is to keeping falling glass from hitting people working below. Laminated glass does that. Remember you are looking for the best answer of the choices given, not the perfect answer. Not all types of safety glass will prevent falling shards.

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    abruno168

    The issue imo is the answers. It's a pick three and the three correct choices are B, C, and F which are tempered, heat-treated, and safety, respectively. Like the question says, the main client concern is glass breaking and falling on the assembly line but the answers don't line up with that criteria. Tempered, if broken, would fall onto the line (albeit a 'safer' option vs annealed, for example) and safety isn't necessarily a type but a category. It's confusing.

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    Kyussuf

    I'd say this is a great and useful discussion for sure and still hope that NCARB steers away from such nuances.!!!!

     
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