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    Tony Young

    Thanks for this post. I took CE over the weekend and failed after passing PjM and PcM. I was puzzled I didn't pass, and a little down because I thought I had a good handle on the contracts. I hope to pass after this second go around.

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    Jared Hopkins

    Hey Tony,

    Yep I am right there with you. When I failed CE, I was totally shocked. Worse for me, I read several posts where people discussed it being "easy". Which sucked. I spent a solid day being pissed, and realized that NCARB didn't really put enough accurate information out there. I thought, and still believe, the Handbook is a bit of a joke. At worst it inaccurately represents what the test is like, as I feel the questions are far more nuanced.
    That nuance shows up easily between knowing what an allowance is and what an alternate is...how and when to use.

    Schedule your retest. ASAP...don't let the time gap hit...things fade really quickly.

    Do take the Ballast practice test, I feel like it's a good primer to get your mind thinking about the questions the right way.

    You can do this!
    Be awesome, stay awesome.

    -Jared

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    Dominic Arresta

    Jared,

    Thanks for the post. I have my CE exam scheduled for early December. Can you please clarify which sections "9.1 in AHPP and figures 17.1- 17.6 AHPP" refer to? I have the AHPP students version, fourteenth edition and would like to know which sections these are.

    Thanks in advanced

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    Jared Hopkins (Edited )

    Hello Dominic,

    I probably should have been a tad more specific.  Yeah I am using the 15th edition here. 

    For figure 9.1, Page 510, the 15th edition, you are looking for an image called Relationships of Project Participants.  It's diagrams of the various delivery methods.

    For 17.1 - 17.6 ...took me a second to find it.  under Chapter 17, under the topic of Construction Contracts are various images (diagrams) of the contract relationships :

    17.1 - Conventional ( A201) Design-Bid-Build Contract Relationships 

    17.2 - Construction Manager as Adviser (CMa) Contract Relationships

    17.3 - Construction Manager as Constructor (CMc) Contract Relationships

    17.4 - Design -Build Contract Relationships

    17.5 - Small Project Relationships

    17.6 - Integrated Project Delivery: Three types of agreements

     

    These are very handy visualizations of all the relationships.

    Hope this helps.

    -Jared

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    Mark Baker

    "the biggest mistake I made was to go through the questions as quickly as possible, just to have extra time to do the case studies."

    This is NOT a strategy that worked for me on PPD either. ha.

    Mark, Archizam

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    Jamil Williams

    Hi Jared,

    Thanks for the clarity and thoroughness of your experiences. Unfortunately I just failed PjM for the 2nd time. I thought I had a good handle on it! I was very confident with my answers and how I felt, nonetheless I’ll be taking CE in 4 weeks. Which will be my 2nd time. Any suggestions or advice on material/study habits?

    Thanks

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    Jared Hopkins (Edited )

    Hey Jamil,

    First off, the best part about failing is you are still learning something.  You will pass, you can do it!

    Study prep, or at least what I did.  

    Ok studying for CE was a little weird for me.  I felt ,compared to PjM and PcM, it was half the study material. 

    Something I forgot to mention, when I study...I do 30 minutes on, 5 mins off.  I would setup a timer, set it for 30 minutes...when it went off, I stopped studying. Set the timer for 5 min, then took a small break.   I had to let my brain breathe and soak in what I was reading/copying. Then when that timer went off, back to 30 min...rinse and repeat.

    Brings me to my next point. I have a small notebook that I made...a veritable Panic Notes before the exam.  I made sections in it for each test I was taking at that time, ( inspired from the Amber Book panic notes)  PcM, PjM, and CE.  I made this because I felt the Amber Book panic notes was just a good start, but needed a little more.

    So when I was studying PcM all my notes, and thoughts, and bullet points I placed there.  I eventually did the same for PjM and CE.

    I wrote the notes based on a couple of things.   I made a rough outline of topics, via the Wiley PDF thing you get when you purchase the AHPP.  Let me know if you don't have it, I will send the PDF's your way.  However these are kind of loose.  I also looked through the Forum and listed out additional items.  So from the original post above, I added those topics to look up to my outline.  As I look now I see I said study ADA...I should have clarified..I looked at ANSI ICC A117 I.  I'll need to updated my post.  From there I figured out about how many hours I would need to read each thing.   I also made a work back schedule.  Essentially I figured out when I was going to take the test and worked backwards.  

    If my test was Sunday at noon, I would plan on taking a practice test the day before, either "Walk the ARE" ( if available ) and/or the Ballast ARE Practice Exam.  This typically takes a day.  Their tests are  3 - 4 hours long., then you need to give yourself about the same amount of time to go over the answers and understand why you may have answered incorrectly.  ( as I think about it...if you haven't read my post on PcM or PjM..maybe take a gander at that.)

    I would try to have (schedule)  all of my reading, studying, listening, note taking complete before I took the practice exam.I tried to do 1 - 3 hours a night, and 5 - 8 hours on the weekends. That is how I set my schedule.  I am doing the same right now for PA, PPD, PDD.   Yes, it was, and still is brutal.  Cant wait to be done.

    I would spend 10 minutes every day reviewing the notes I wrote from the day(s) before.  Come the day of the exam, I would bring my panic notes with me, and  loosely scan them before I went into the test center.  After a quick breather, I tried to clear my mind, and just go do it.  You just do the best that you can do, ...as someone I know once said..."Do your best...forget the rest."  

    TBH I cant say that any specific note, that I wrote, was in my exam, sort of.  There are those one answer questions once in a while, but overall, there is a lot of analysis in the CE one.  

    I will say this again...for CE ( having failed once already)  You need to know those contracts backwards and forwards.  So many of those questions are very nuanced.  Reading them out loud...makes you listen to them...and I mean out loud..like you are having a conversation with someone...just quickly lip reading them wont cut it.  

    Aside from my small notation gaff for ADA, I think what I wrote above is very representative of I what I encountered in the exam.  

    I hope that helps.  If you have more questions hit me up.  I'll do my best to answer them.

    Stay awesome,

    -Jared

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    Jamil Williams

    Wow! All I can say is Thank You Very Much! I really appreciate your response. Thanks for taking time to respond at length! I will definitely take your advice and start buckling down for CE! I will keep you posted on my journey!

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    Christina Fu

    Hi Jared,

    Thank you for your thorough review and advises on this exam.  I failed it back in September and now I just need to get the courage back to schedule a re-take.

    My test result says I did well in all but the "pre-construction" portion of the exam.  I remember one type of question that really threw my off was the "selecting the lowest bidder" or "select the lowest responsible bidder". 

    I did not encounter as many ADA questions as I would expect.

    At the end of the exam, I thought the exam was more about my testing skill than testing my actual knowledge and experience in the profession.  Oh wells... I will take your advise on reading each question carefully and reading the AIA Documents out loud. 

    Wish me luck. haha!

    -- Christina

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    Jared Hopkins

    Hello Christina!

     

    You can do it! Hardest step is taking that first one.  I always find that once I have paid for the test...I am very motivated to get it done.

    As for the lowest bidder question...I ran across the same problem the first time as a matter of fact.  I can tell you for a fact, in the Ballast ARE 5 Practice Exam ( I really recommend this, if dont have it already) , under the CE test, question 564, should help clarify it.  Once you realize how simple it is, you'll kick yourself.  Actually it is so simple, you can see how easy it is to doubt yourself.

    As for ADA and Egress, yes there are not many questions.   In the end it's about accessibility...know minimum openings and clearances.    The test for me, appeared to cover a lot of the contracts. 

    Keep pushing through. You got this.

    Stay awesome,

    -Jared

     

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    Christina Fu

    Ohhh #564!!! Got it!!  

    On the exams, do you disregard the bid that is late? I think that was what threw me off, if I should include the late bid or not.

    Thanks Jared, you are awesome.

    --Christina

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    Mark Baker

    Do NOT include a Late Bid.  It was LATE and therefor not even present to be opened at the prescribed BID OPENING time.

    Mark, Archizam

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    Jared Hopkins

    Ha! I was going to make you work a little bit for that one, but Mark beat me to it.

    Do you have the Contract Lecture series?  They discuss it there.

    Also, honestly its in the AHPP 15th edition, page 711.

    Cheers,

    -Jared

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    Christina Fu

    Ohhh I c!! Thanks guys! 

    Wow you know AHPP in and out.  Thanks for the page numbers. That is super helpful.

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