NO SCRATCH PAPER - TERRIBLE IDEA

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    Georgina Rodriguez

    I know I am just reiterating the majority opinion here but this is absolutely ridiculous for a test that already has so many technical problems across the board. Was remote-online proctoring discussed with the community? If it was, then we should have been informed of the changes that would have had to occur to administer the test remotely. I would rather be able to have scratch paper and go to a test center than take on the liability of taking the test at home/ remotely. It makes no sense to take away scratch paper from those who are testing to be architects! I vehemently urge NCARB to not implement this change. 

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    Julie Anna Templeton

    Georgina Rodriguez I wonder myself, how great is this majority? I have not heard a single person in favor of eliminating the scratch paper. 

     

    Completely tone deaf decision by NCARB. Sketching / drawing etc, is integral to our process. 

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    Julie Anna Templeton

    Mark Baker you make a good point, that we wait and see. You also make a good point that case study resources are unreliable, clunky and difficult to work with. Given this precedent, I am dubious of a digital whiteboard. I did not ask for home testing. I have no idea how it's even possible to make that secure. I speculate those testing at home will not be able to go back to flagged questions after a break, should they elect to take a break. The issues around home proctoring seem bigger security to concerns to me than having scratch paper available in test centers with established and tested security protocols in effect. 

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    Georgina Rodriguez

    I don't think the wait and see approach would be beneficial to test-takers who already have to pay for 10+ exams for failed attempts and because of technological difficulties. For us to test out their new system and cause us more stress in the process, would only be setting us up for more failure and crushed morale.  

    Will there be dual screens for this whiteboard?- Probably not

    Will there be tablets and digital pens given?- Probably not

    Will there be more time given for having to use the whiteboard? - Probably not

    Will this digital whiteboard be left-handed friendly? - Probably not 

    Why not fight this now instead of waiting for them to implement it and suffer the consequences. 

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    Julie Anna Templeton

    Georgina Rodriguez - Good question about the left-handed friendly. Maybe this will be my ticket to special accommodation.  ;) 

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    Valentine Catapano

    Will candidates be allowed to choose if testing at the prometric center? As someone who is much for comfortable using analog than digital means to think through problems, I find the online whiteboard detrimental to my success taking the AREs.

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    Julie Anna Templeton

    Valentine Catapano You will not have the choice, per an NCARB email that went out today. There is a petition you can sign here: 

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NCARB

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    DENISE LARSON

    Do you ever feel like older architects/NCARB think

     

    "we will make it nearly impossible for you to ever get registered"  ???  less passing  = more money for NCARB

     

    ugh its already hard enough

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    Paul Carson

    CONTROLLED BY: Not Architects mind you:

    Psychometricians are the scientists behind those interesting - and sometimes nerve wracking - aptitude and personality tests. The tests that these professionals create help to better understand how the mind works. They are able to measure the how a mind functions and how it compares to other groups of people.

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    Paul Carson

    "when your enemy is relaxed, let em toy you ~
    when they are full, starve them ~
    when they are settled ~ MAKE YOUR MOVE" ~

    "who needs scratch paper, graduates live in poverty & can't afford it ~ nick it! Yes, remove the creativity from the creative one's whilst (your) at it...

    Take from them, like voice "dead", concerts "live"; give them nothing in return; history proves this model is worthy MORE a LOSS! MORE FAILURE!!

    Make them purchase insurance to sit, or replace them with machines.

     

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    Paul Carson (Edited )

    ? Who are they, and of whom was this case that c-a-r-b- held those accountable for "cheating" the code of ethics within the last 10-years.

    Please take this post serious: I can no longer find this information; these individuals are of public knowledge; and from my memory it is a civil court case from New York City, NY. Individuals attempted to hijack test questions (of which any normal post-graduate sane person would NOT do). This case has merit behind why you and I are being more scrutinized about our freedom to accomplish our life's goal. Take our paper away during exam because 5 individuals outsmarted you, and "1/2 million" test takers get punished!  ?LOGIC PLEASE?

    HELP US ALL!!!

    I am confident, that this "paperless" propaganda is born from those "few" worthless individuals who attempted to breach copyright laws...and this is the entire basis behind this protection of "their" regulations; said regulations that only "chairpersons" can vote...WHERE IS OUR VOTE.

    Please help us all research this; for if nothing come of this: "they" win because we gave then what they wanted; research of 'fallen failures".

    How many cases are proven that "your" proprietary software has been breeched? Then, add this to the amount of amazing, amazing creative young souls here to support the Constitution of America, in all efforts the protect the "safety, health, and welfare of the public". How does this control help "ANYONE"?

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    Paul Carson

    I expect a new post from c-a-r-b; help US, stop taking down our posts, HELP US!!!

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    Steven Hall (Edited )

    I don't generally care to get too vocal about the adaptation of NCARBs policies however, this whiteboard idea really irks me. Do you know how time consuming this process would be to mouse ridiculous equations through all the tests I've passed (3). Practice management alone would have been a nightmare. 

    This is a horrible idea!

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    Paul Carson

    Again, since 2006 grad-school, I still have not passed a single exam; I am schedule for PjM later this month, and PcM in November, as this is now my 3rd rolling-clock.  If I fail both of these exams, I will official quit my life-long goal of becoming licensed.  What a f-ing shame, to have wasted an entire life, might as well jump off a bridge!!!

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    Julie Anna Templeton

    Paul Carson I'm sorry for this experience. I believe you can do this. I believe if I can, anyone can. Particularly if english is your first language. If you want to email me, I can share what's worked for me. jultempleton at gmail

    Please don't jump off a bridge. 

     

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    John Tunningley

    I posted on one of the earlier boards as well regarding the digital whiteboard. They say this is so that there is an equivalent experience for all people testing but if I'm at home and happen to have a touch screen computer then I have a distinct advantage over someone at a testing center that does not have that same touch screen. I want to reinforce that the digital whiteboard is a terrible idea and does not even provide the consistent experience that they are seeking.

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    Barbara Wilson

    John, I agree. What I am most concerned with is doing quick calculations. Some of those problems I write out many lines of quick math. That is just impossible to recreate digitally with as much speed.

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    Paul Carson

    Since I have a "doug-thedowner" here lately, here is smidge of good news: while taking mock exams from a well known 3rd party source, I WAS able to calculate several "bar chart" questions regarding critical, float (slack) and delay days required accurately, doing the math in my head without a calculator (GO ME).

     

    However, I cannot even imagine attempting to calculate construction or design budgets in my head, or even CM project delegation questions involving 4-5 employes U.rates with multipliers, etc. of a firm...SO DAUNTING!!!

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    Rebekka O'Melia

    I completed my AREs in 2020 BEFORE the quarantine. But I mentor ARE candidates. I used scratch paper - took a lot of notes, did math, etc. I’m concerned about candidates not having access to scratch paper and a pencil. For me, it was necessary. Trying to “write “ with a mouse is difficult. Are you supposed to use a stylus or something?? It sounds like a stylus with a button (rather than a mouse) would be the only solution. Maybe NCARB should provide one, or recommend a $10 item to have for the exam..

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    Matthew Friesz

    If anything this decision in regards to those of us with learning disabilities, is a clear violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act.  As part of our profession we are required to pass these test in order to move along on our careers.  This decision severely limits the style of learning and problem solving that I've used to overcome my learning disabilities, in turn limiting the chances of success I'll have on a test I'm paying for and am required by law to take.  Unless they saying that "I don't have to take the test" in a way that means I can call myself an architect if I want, and not a teak it or leave it proposition, they're violating the ADA if they can't provide the same experience writing on the digital whiteboard as it would be pencil and paper.  

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    Se Won Min

    Given that it takes several seconds for the system to even load a new question, I'm afraid this will slow down everything even more especially considering that we probably won't be able to use split screens/dual screens for this digital whiteboard. Really wish they'd adopt a faster/more efficient system where we don't have to worry about being stuck for waiting for a question (especially with highlights) or a pdf to load. 

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