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    Gustavo Diez-Presilla

    Sorry about that, but don't beat your self up, took three tries to pass CE, already one fail on PCM and going for my return match on August. My advice? Do not throw the towel, keep fighting, the victory is only for those who dare the most. 70%-80% I thinks not good enough, get to more than 90% and then go

    Faith and good luck

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    Tony Young

    Thanks I just need to get out my funk, I'm very frustrated I thought I would finally pass.

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    Paul Carson (Edited )

    Hey Tony Young ~

    "...failure is not fatal, success is not final, it's the willingness to continue that makes the man" ~ Winston Churchill

     

     

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    Gustavo Diez-Presilla

    He also said; "Never, never, never quite"

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    Tony Young

    How did you have the confidence to keep going back after three failed attempts at CE, did you focus on that test you kept failing or went to other test. I do know each section I have failed I just jump to next test, I wonder should I just focus on the one test and not move forward. I am just not a good test taker. The test seemed easy but those judgment question got me it seems like when I took practice exam I could figure out the right answers, on the exams it seemed like there was always two possible correct answers and I read over and over to figure out which one would fit. I just need some test takin pointers because I think that's where I'm failing.

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    Gustavo Diez-Presilla (Edited )

    I fail two times CE, but I passed the third time. Two mistakes I made along the way,first I switch to PCM after my first CE failure, giving only three months to prepare, Secondly, I took to much time to re-take CE for second time. and fail again. A few things I learned about this whole process; first in my opinion, about six months is a good time to prepare, you not are going to be able to have a consistent and unmovable schedule, so you need to think about that, third you need to use as many sources as you can but not using them blinded but knowing what you need to get to complete and compare concepts ideas and process, and the last one, at least in my opinion we are not studying but training. and training means repetition over, and over, and over again..

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    Tony Young

    Thanks, I was thinking about jumping to PjM if I chose to do this again but maybe I'll just take a couple of weeks off and re study for PcM

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    Katie Merten

    I highly suggest moving onto a different exam and then circling back to PcM after you've had success at other exams.  You might not be studying your best at this point, since you've likely covered all the material thoroughly.  You need to start with fresh eyes on another exam.  You CAN do this!  

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    Steven Sack

    Tony,

    What resources are you using to prepare for this exam?  What practice exams are you taking?  I would recommend considering additional resources for information.

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    Tony Young

    I'm using blackspec, AHPP, AEP, I think I need to just find books on how to take exams like this one. I knew everything on my test at least I thought I just get confused on the "BEST" answer type questions

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    Goran Simic

    First time posting here - but I have used the forum as a good resource, and I just passed my last exam (PcM, coincidentally) and here are my $02:  

    - I didn't fail any exams.  It took me only 8 weeks to pass the last 5 exams, but I have had a more flexible schedule in the last 2 months and could devote a lot of time to studying.  The time in between exams and how long you need to prepare are highly individual. The order of the tests, however, is not.  At least in my opinion.  

    Which brings me to my main point.  The order of the tests NCARB suggests is asinine.  It is counter intuitive, and it puts the two tests that are the trickiest in terms of questions & "gotcha" answers first.  Here is the order I would STRONGLY suggest:

    PA - this is the most straight forward and most tied to concepts you learn in school and in practice if you do any zoning/site planning analysis.  I took a long break here, but that was for other reasons - nothing relating to the tests. 

    PPD & PDD next.  Order is not important, as you can really study for these two together, and take them in close succession.  PPD has more concepts that are also on PA and PDD was a little more technical, so I would suggest PPD and then PDD.  These have the most study material by far, and are technically the most complicated.  If you've worked for 4-6 years somewhere where you got a wide range of experience, they will be easier.  If you have been stuck in a giant firm doing specific tasks, they will be harder.

    CE - this is a great bridge between the technical knowledge of PPD & PDD and the contracts/practice/project management of PjM & PcM.  Fairly straightforward.  Learn basic contracts, and if you have any familiarity with details & drawing coordination, this one is a cakewalk. 

    PjM - This piggybacks well off of CE, as there is some contracts, but also calculation on staffing/project management etc. I was surprised at the amount of actual calculations. 

    PcM - This one I felt like I was failing, but ended up with a pass.  It feels slapped together and random. 

    But the main point is, that you get into the groove of test taking and how the questions are asked by taking the first 4 based on experience and school, and then the last two aren't as difficult and are easier to decipher.  

    Good luck! 

     

     

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    Gustavo Diez-Presilla

    I passed yesterday my PCM second attempt, it was a tough, laborious and pain in the neck exam, at was point I though I was screw up again, and that maybe I would not be able to complete all the questions. At the end t only 5 minutes to review about 20 questions, so obviously I just went over about 8 of them. Now thinking back it is not so much the level of complexity but the amount of work required to answer the questions, also the fact that some questions are quite simply others r really not,that can throw you out of balance. Bu all this being said I will prove my point in my post before; sixth months is a good number to use to getready, repetition is a key factor, and finally, use wisely your sources of information, the more the better but knowing what to look for. Good luck to everyone here, I am leaving this group and to my next ordeal PJM on January maybe. Remember all of you, difficult but no impossible.

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    Christopher Scorgie (Edited )

    Tony,

    I am a little late getting to respond to your July post.  Don't give up. I know its time consuming and costly, but if you love this field of work and you know it on a daily basis, then favor will come your way.

    I will be 50 this January. I have put licensure off because at one time in my career, I was an employee in large firm and never saw the need to get my license. The principals stamped the drawing sets that I produced so I thought (lazy on my part) why bother? That was in 2005.  Fast forward 14 years with a recession along the way and so much has changed. Because of the recession, I was laid off and then went freelance, but with no license. I ended up producing sets for architects and interior designers I knew as well as as-built work. It paid the bills and it was pretty lucrative. One of my architect clients became repeat business and then his work took over all the work I had until I got the point of being his right-hand man. A few years after that in March '18 he asked me to become partner...HOWEVER there is a kicker...I need a license to become partner.

    Soooo, after being out of college 25+ years and the only thing I have studied for any great length since college is the newspaper, I embarked on ARE prep. Because I have 25 years of practical experience I thought I would study for the PcM for about 3 weeks and then go in there and knock it out. I got my butt kicked this past Saturday. It was so bad, I am 95% sure its a fail.

    The point of my story is some of us get to it right after the IDP (now AXP) concludes and they get their license in short order, but there are a lot of us out here like you and me that its going to be a battle.

    If you can indulge me a tad bit further, my best friend is highly dyslexic. Reading was a nightmare for him in school, however he soon realized he could fix anything. He trained to be a mechanic...an excellent one at that.  He opened his own shop about 15 years ago and now he has 30 people working for him. His shop is so busy, he now has time for his other passion which was to be a paramedic/firefighter.  Because of his dyslexia, he had to take the written part of the paramedic exam 3 times in order to ger certified. He finally passed, got certified to be a paramedic and as well became a firefighter for his local volunteer fire department. He is now the Fire Chief.

    I do not know if any of what I told you helps it all. I truly hope it does. Take it from someone who has gone about it all wrong in this process that you can do this. I have to retake for my second try on PcM in 60 days. I was pissed off at myself that I led myself to believe I was ready and then it passed and I am back to the books tonight.

    Chris

     

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    Tony Young

    Chris,

    Thank you for the encouragement

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    Seth Wiley

    I failed 2 of the tests in my process, and I got so frustrated that I actually had to take like a year away from doing the tests - just so I wasn't all pissed every time I sat down to study. However, I just completed the tests - passed them all. I'm still surprised. When I was sitting there taking my final test, I was sweating bullets with nerves to see if I passed or not. And then I passed. Holy smokes. My life will never be the same. So think about that moment - when you will see that pass come up on the computer screen. That's what it's all about - the nerves, the failures, and the passes - it's for a good cuase. Take your time. Come back to it when you are ready. But keep up the good work. Failure is part of success. Good luck.

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