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    William May

    If you only got a 72.5% you most likely won't pass the test.  But, I wish you success.  I Really hope I'm wrong.  Please, write back when you finish.

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    Hang Cho

    I finished this morning & Computer think I failed.

    It is OK - I will take again soon!!!

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    William May

    Hang,

    Sorry to hear of the outcome.  I'm curious, what is your background?  What are you coming to the ARE with as far as experience?  How many years experience in firms beyond your degree?  Did you complete IDP or AXP yet?

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    Tatamin

    Hang,

    I’m sorry to hear, but at least you successfully finished your first 5.0 exam without any problems. And now you know how the new exam format and questions look like. I think it's still a big accomplishment. As you may already know, the exam retake policy has been reduced to 60 days, but you can take each division up to 3 times within a year period.

    Keep going!

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    Hang Cho (Edited )

    William

    Here is my background (click the link below)

    I have been working in DC area since 2000 working commercial, residential, retails, office, restaurants, mix-used, interior design firm.

    https://are5community.ncarb.org/hc/en-us/community/posts/360025916654/comments/360004490093

    I am Catholic & believe in faith & vocation (not vacation^^) which so unique & essential for one's happiness.

    Architect is one professional which is very similar with that of religious such as priest, nuns or monk.

    So I have to seek this path which bring me joy which I can not get from anywhere else. so Good Luck, William.

    By the way, I have a friend who got license at age 60 & finished beautiful church project & now undergoing hotel project.

    Thank you!

     

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    Hang Cho

    Thank you Tatamin!

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    William May

    What bothers me so much is that the division test PcM appears to test on the presumption that one size fits all.  I had questions in the case study that were not in touch with what I saw in the time I spent in IDP while in firms.  I'm reading that other people also had no exposure to working with practice activities.  Principal owners are forced to accept the spirit of cooperation with emerging professionals but there is a point that they do not show you everything.  I'm not so sure that IDP/AXP is actually written in a way that provides a training situation for a tie between actual practice and test. 

    NCARB Is the National council of architectural registration boards.  Boards consist of members who are practicing architects.  NCARB writes the test.  How is it that the test has such a low PASS/FAIL ratio.  I've heard it said time after time that you might get an easier test or that you just might be luckier to get a test that you can pass.  I'm concerned that luck plays a big part in passing these tests.

    I'm also concerned that degree programs are not preparing people to have more knowledge built in to the programs to deal with the kind of questions one would see on the ARE.  As a former educator I provided learning for students to be Entry level to be able to function in a job situation.  By that I tested them and my program to make sure graduates could actually perform at the Entry level or Minimum level.  The licensure process seems to not do that.  As a paying customer I expect to be provided with what I need to be "Entry" level and have the Minimum level of education to practice.  If 1 out of 2 people are failing the minimum level then there is something wrong with either the test or the education.  If a person was required to take the test twice, and they would not pass twice then there is a problem with the overall process.

    I'll make you this challenge - take the division test 3 times, with 60 days in between the tests.  I'd bet that more than half who take it will not pass 2 out of 3 times.  Further, let's make a rule that every 5 years, to maintain your license, you are required to take the 6 division tests, paying $1,410.  If you don't get 6 passes, your license is put on hold and you are not able to seal/stamp projects for 6 months and you are required to retake the test after waiting the 6 months.   I think that the public's health safety and welfare is worth the new process.

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