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    Priyanka Sarda

    Aparajita,

    I recently got my EESA evaluation and successfully completed the deficiencies to meet the education requirements. What guidance do you need? 

     

    Priyanka

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    Aparajita Bhatt

    Hi Priyanka!

    Thanks for your quick response. I sent my transcripts from India to NAAB but they said that they require course descriptions in addition to the transcript that I've sent. I graduated from Mumbai University in 2013 and the syllabus has since changed from an annual system to a semester system. I don't know how to get hold of the course descriptions/syllabus. How did you go about the same? 

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    Priyanka Sarda

    Yes, I had to provide EESA the syllabus and course descriptions issued by the university. Luckily for me, a batch mate of mine had saved it from when she had gone through the process. Your best bet might be to ask either the university or batch mates. You could try if EESA will accept the changed syllabus if the course descriptions match. It took me a couple tries before I got this right and the lady at NAAB was very helpful through the process.  

    Are you doing the foreign architects path to registration or working for licensure as a foreign educated student? I believe you need the EESA evaluation only for the latter. 

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    Aparajita Bhatt (Edited )

    Hi Priyanka,

    Luckily my school in India was very cooperative and were able to find the older syllabus from their archive and send it to me. This has all the course descriptions and I think it should be sufficient for EESA's requirements.

    I'm pursuing the latter path as I'm trying to get licensed in Texas which requires a NAAB accredited degree. I did start on the Foreign Architect Path but COA in India asked me to surrender my license to fill out the 'Credential Verifying Form' and I didn't feel comfortable doing that. 

    Can I be taking the ARE's while EESA is evaluating my degree or is this a process that needs to be followed step by step?

    Thanks for your quick responses and interest in the matter, it really has made me feel less alone in this whole situation. :)

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    Aparajita Bhatt

    Priyanka,

    Quick question: Did you have to take any additional courses beside Professional Practice after EESA evaluated your degree? Does it make sense for me to enroll in the course ahead of time while I'm waiting for the evaluation? Wanted your thoughts on this. 

    Thanks!

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    Priyanka Sarda

    Aparajita,
    I would recommend that you wait till you hear back from EESA. Couple of my batch mates who went through the exact same B.Arch program and courses as me, got evaluations different from mine...go figure! Some had to fulfill additional general education or English credits...I needed 6 credits in PP of which 3 were required to be for business and regulations.
    Before enrolling in any classes, I sent EESA the course descriptions and had them approve that it would fulfill the credit deficiency. I ended up taking online courses for business law and ethics in management at the community college which were in fact not even architecture courses, but were the quickest and cheapest way to fulfill the required credits. Good luck with the process!

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    Aparajita Bhatt

    Wow that was very helpful, thanks again for the speedy response! Great tip on getting the course approved by EESA before taking it. I'll wait and watch for what happens next!

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    Divya Shroff

    Hi, 

    I am also in the same boat as Aparajita and reading this conversation was helpful. 

    Also how long does it take for EESA to send the evaluations back? Are there a lot of inconsistencies in the coursework here in the US and India ? 

    Reading this makes me feel better as I wasn't sure whether EESA evaluation was worth it or not. I want to be able to start taking ARE's that is why I want get the evaluation. .

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    Aparajita Bhatt

    Hi Divya,

    I submitted my completed application to EESA about 2 weeks ago and received an email from them saying it would take them 6-8 to evaluate and update my NCARB record. From Priyanka’s response above and some other friends I’ve spoken to, it seems like the deficiencies vary. There’s no way to know which classes you’ll need to take until you don’t undergo the evaluation process. I would recommend getting started on it soon so that you can take the classes, fulfil the deficiency and then take the ARE’s. I believe that we are not eligible to take the ARE’s without meeting the NAAB education standard. Hope this helps. Keep posting here and hopefully this thread will benefit others like us!

    Best,
    Aparajita

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    When I received my ESSA-NAAB evaluation, there was a lot of deficiencies:  18.00 credits in General Education to include 3 credits in English Composition, 3.00 credits in Financial Considerations, 7.00 credits in Professional Practice to include 3 credits in Laws and Regulations and 3 credits in Ethics and Professional Conduct.
    I decided to follow Foreign Architect Path to NCARB Certification since it will entail long time to fulfill the above credits deficiency.

    Hope this helps.

     

     

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    Shraddha Medidi

    Hi Priyanka,

    Can you please give me some more details on the online courses that you took in Laws & Regulations. I got back my EESA evaluation and even I need to fulfill 3.0 credits in Laws & Regulations. 

    TIA,

    Shraddha.

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    Priyanka Sarda

    Shraddha,
    I took an online class for ‘Business Law’ at the community college and that gave me the required credit. Here is a link to course description of that helps-
    https://www.nvcc.edu/academic/coursecont/summaries/BUS241.pdf
    Before you enroll, make sure you send the course description to EESA to check if that will satisfy the deficiency. Let me know if you need any more information.

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    Shraddha Medidi

    Thank you for your prompt response!

    I see the course has a prereq also which makes it 2 semester? how long did it take to finish the course? 

    I will explore my options and keep you posted. 

    Thanks again.

    shraddha.

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    Priyanka Sarda

    I did business Law 1 only. It was an 8 week class. Did not need to do the 2nd semester because I had met my deficiency requirements

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    Shraddha Medidi

    Oh okay. Thank you so much!

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    Shraddha Medidi

    EESA disapproved my request for the same course. Other courses that I see are too expensive and it’s for 1 complete semester...

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    Ahmed Salem

    Hi every body .I enrolled in foreign architects path and I already get eligiblety letter from NCARB for this path . I'm trying to get licensed in Texas I am wondering if I can be eligible for ARE exam and get lecinced in Texas through foriegn architect path without ESSA-NAAB evaluation.

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    Marian Camille Camposuelo

    Hi all,

    Can I ask what classes did you take to satisfy deficiency in Financial Consideration? Thank you!

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    prachee bihani

    Hello,

     

    COA has asked me to surrender my COA license and only then will they fill out the 'Credential Verifying Form'  & return in to NCARB. Has any of you successfully completed the process ?  This is the last step I have to do before I can start giving the exams. But, I am very hesitant to send my original Licence to COA without any written acknowledgment. 

    Any lead on this will be very helpful.

    Thanks,

    Prachee 

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    Divya Shroff

    I am also trying to explore the foreign architect path and just like Prachee I am hesitant about surrendering my COA license. I am not sure how long I will stay in the US or how easy it is to get your license back in India.

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    prachee bihani

    Divya,

     

    I was told by COA that you we can get back the same licence once you are back in India & show a residence proof for 6 months. Problem is there is no mention of this process anywhere on their website. And I had to write multiple times to COA to get this information. This is the reason I am hesitant and wish to know if someone actually went through this process. 

    NCARB personnel did mention to me that they have received letters from COA before. So "may be" it works.... 

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    Naman Garg

    Divya & Prachee,

    I had to 'surrender' my CoA registration to get the required forms signed from them (which were to be submitted to NCARB for evaluation).  Before I initiated my process, I got in touch with them and it boils to the following.  The 'Physical' Certificate needs to be handed or mailed over to CoA,  thereafter only they will sign the documents.  From my understanding it is to ensure that one who is not residing in India is not practicing architecture there.  I was also informed that if/ when I needed to return to India for good, I'll need to give them in writing that I have returned to India and they will 'activate/ return' my Certificate.  In theory,  my surrendered registration/ licence is still active as long as the dues are paid in a timely manner.

    I had looked up their phone number from the CoA website and called them, also e-mailed them.  They were ultra helpful and answered all my questions patiently.  E-mail response might be a little late (I think I got a reply within a week or two),  I think that is a great turnaround since they are a small office handling every states documentations etc.

    IMO surrender is a very hard term that is confusing, it also confused NCARB at one time and I had to clarify. Maybe suffixing 'temporary' / 'conditional' etc would help :).

    All in all my process was very smooth between NCARB and CoA. When talking with CoA they also told me that they have done multiple forms like these in the past. Take no worries, just do it.

    Let me know if you have any questions.

    Naman

     

     

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    Divya Shroff

    Thank you Naman for the clarification.

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    prachee bihani

    Thank you Nanam. This helps a lot ! 

     

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    prachee bihani

    Hello,

    I have one more question after reading the conversation about ESSA-NAAB evaluation above. So, my college sent all the transcripts along with the Form 122_Transcript form to NCARB directly. I got a couple of emails from NACRB on clarification of certain items on these transcript documents that I clarified successfully. 

    My NACRB account now shows the transcripts as verified. Also, after a conversation with NCARB representative I was of the understanding that I am good on the education front and all they need is the completed Credential Verifying Form from COA before I start giving my exams. 

    Do I still have to get the ESSA-NAAB evaluation done? Am I missing something altogether here? As per the NCARB website  not everyone has to get the evaluation done. Or is there another round of evaluation NCARB does later in which they ask for ESSA-NAAB evaluation ?

    Confused !!!!! Any leads ??? 

    Thanks,

     


    From NCARB WEBSITE -

    Foreign Architect Requirements for Certification

    • Education: Have a recognized degree or education credential in an architecture program that leads to registration/credential to practice architecture in a foreign country.
      • To have your education verified, please download the Transcript Request Form. You should fill in items 1-12 and submit to your academic institution. All transcripts must come directly from the academic institution.
    • Foreign Registration: Hold an active registration/licensure credential to practice architecture in a foreign country that has a formal record-keeping mechanism for disciplinary actions in the practice of architecture.
      • To have your foreign registration verified, please download the Credential Verification Form. You should complete part A, and your credentialing authority must complete part B and submit the final form to NCARB.
      • If your country does not have a regulatory body or system for taking disciplinary action, you will need to follow the licensure path for foreign-educated applicants.
    • Experience: Complete the AXP. Some of your foreign experience (up to 1,860 hours) may count toward the AXP requirement, but you will only be able to complete the AXP outside of the United States if you are working under an architect licensed in the United States or Canada. If you are following this path, the AXP’s five-year reporting requirement does not apply to you. Learn more about the AXP.
    • Examination: Pass the ARE. You can begin scheduling ARE divisions after NCARB has verified your transcript and foreign credential and you have paid your Certification application fee.
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    Naman Garg

    ESSA-NAAB evaluation is required if you are not going through regular path.  'Foreign Architect Path' does not require ESSA-NAAB evaluation.  Also, Foreign Architect implies being actively licensed in that country, not just getting a B.Arch or like from college.

    Check this link out for more info https://www.ncarb.org/advance-your-career/ncarb-certificate/get-certified/foreign-architects 

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    prachee bihani

    Naman,

    Holding a COA certificate means that one is licenced to practice architecture in India. Thus, one should be allowed to take the foreign architect path. COA wants you to surrender the licence just because the person does not currently reside in India;(very country specific)  but technically one is still licenced in another country. 

    So does everyone from India go for the ESSA-NAAB  route ? Has anyone tried the 'Foreign Architect Path'?

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    Naman Garg

    Yes Prachee,  see it as a physical surrender of the CoA certificate only, even after you surrender it you are still licensed. You are not banned / revoked from practicing architecture in India forever.

    For example, my CoA certificate is to expire in 2021 (all dues were paid and paper work done for that way back when).  So couple of years ago I sent the CoA certificate back, and CoA sent the needed documents to NCARB.  I went through the 'Foreign Architect Path' (now am licensed in Texas).  IF I were to go back, I will need to furnish them a letter of my stay plans and they will return my certificate and I will still be able to practice architecture in India (Not sure how the after 2021 deadline would affect this, in my case, I am less concerned).

    Now,  IF I was not actively licensed, say I was in U.S./ other country and my CoA license would have expired in 2016 (or like some, I would never have gotten my CoA Certificate), I would have been ineligible to go through the 'Foreign Architect Path' and would HAVE to go through ESSA-NAAB route.  

    To put it simply:

    If one has an 'Active' CoA Certificate > Foreign Architect Path.

    If one does not have CoA Certificate > ESSA-NAAB Path.

    Not sure what needs to be done if one has 'Inactive' CoA Certificate (maybe pay correct dues, penalty etc and go through Foreign Architect Path).

    Hope this helps, let me know if you still have questions.

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    prachee bihani

    Yes... That clarifies a lot. So I guess the approach I am considering - 'Foreign Architect Path' should work provided I surrender my COA certificate before it expires & COA sends the required form to NCARB.

    Thanks for all you suggestions Naman, it is indeed very helpful. 

     

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    Aparajita Bhatt

    Prachee/ Naman and everyone else,

    Thanks for using this thread and posting your experience. I think this is super valuable. The reason I chose the EESA-NAAB route was:

    1. Hesitation with surrendering my CoA original certificate.

    2. My employer was generous enough to cover the cost of the evaluation.

    3. I wasn't sure what the status of my license in the US would be once my CoA license expired and how easy the renewal would be without proof of my residence in India. 

    After my EESA-NAAB evaluation I had to take a 3-credit hour course to make up for a Laws and Regulations deficiency (I'm trying to get licensed in Texas) and am now done with 2 out of the 6 AREs. That's my two cents and an update on my status in this process, hope this helps. 

    Best,

    Aparajita

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