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    RJ

    After flunking the state bar examination for a second time, John F. Kennedy Jr. said he would take the test again and again "until I'm 95" or he passes.

     

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/99874/JOHN-KENNEDY-JR-FAILS-BAR-EXAM-2ND-TIME-SAYS-HELL-TAKE-IT-AGAIN.html

    Except most of us aren't rich... that's the difference.

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    Ariana Parrish

    I know failing these exams too well. I don't have much advice but to pray, and keep on trucking! You can do it. Don't let your experience level get you in a rut, try to learn something new from each re-take. Even if you take these another 4 time before you pass, you may be broke but at least your a broke Architect. You cant measure your success on failures because it's apart of the process. You will have your life back soon! 

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    Kelly Haines

    Phebe;

    You can do it.  I myself have also failed out the first 3 tests on PPD.  I can appreciate the message that Ariana stated above and is inline with many of my business mentors.  They typically say "Fail forward".  Remember to study the 4.0 material that correlates to the 5.0 test section.  Young architects website does a great job of aligning material with 5.0 sections.  In addition if you don't already I would utilize Design Hacks practice exams for 4.0 and 5.0 to help study I truly believe these practice exams are the only reason that I have made it this far(1 test left).  Best of luck on the road ahead.

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    Phebe Tam

    Thank you all...

    I did use Designer Hacks...Maybe I need to repeat the practice again...and I know 4.0 materials will be involved so I did go back over PPP and SPD note from caroline. I will check out young architect website. 

    Somehow I am so eager to get it done I might not realize I still have gap not fill up for the test...I want to believe it is Fail forward if only the feedback from this system is more open and helpful, I particularly cannot move forward without some guidance...We will see....

    I need to find out what Project Integration of Program & Systems really means...

    and yes, I am broke, the amount I spent on the test, I think I can use it going back to Hong Kong twice (feel free google how much it costs to go to Hong Kong, from the US)!

    Thank you 

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    Anton Gross

    Wow, I just wanted to say that I'm preparing for the PP&D test and have been more taking my time and studying over and over and the suggested resources are great. Thank you and best of luck Phebe. I do believe in the adage that Kelly stated. It's just hard to face failure, honestly. It's hard to risk failure for something that means so much, but not trying is also failing since you're not even allowing yourself the option to succeed. You miss all the shots you never take right?

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    Elif Elise Kandiyoti

    I am sorry to hear Phebe. It should be frustrating.  I know it is different for everyone but I can say what worked for me. For sustainability read Heating Cooling Lighting by Norbert Lechner.  Read it cover to cover. It is so easy to read and explain everything so clear. After that, you can answer any question they ask. If you are not so familiar with sustainability, read the whole book two or three times. It will also give you a basic understanding of MEP. But it is not enough for MEP.  And then go to MEEB. With these two books, you will cover most of the exam. I know I am talking about more than 2000 pages. Trust me it is worthed. 

     

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    Phebe Tam

    @Anton Gross-- not to stress you with my failing, but I think you can do better than me :)

    @Elif Kandiyoti -- I will take a look of the book you suggest, though, I don't really feels like the questions are not straight forward asking what they are asking, so I don't feel like I am applying my knowledge most of the time. It is funny, because I passed PDD and I keep failing PPD, is it not PDD focus more on the details of all the building systems?  Unless I passes PDD out of luck, and they explain I possibly not reading enough MEP stuff.... :(

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    Kristen Charters

    Phebe - I found that studying for both at the same time was the best for me. In order to understand the concepts, you inherently have to understand the inner workings/details. Plus even though PDD is definitely more detail oriented, you could get more detailed questions on PPD. PPD is tricky though because it covers so many different topics. I would review PA content as well (SPD/PPP in 4.0). I also found AMBER videos to be very good as well. You might look at them if you haven't already. He posts some free ones on Youtube but the full videos are available here.

    Good luck!

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    Phebe Tam

    Thanks Kristen,

    those videos are indeed very helpful, I did watch them in the pass exams...but I should watch them again.

    that is why I feel so lost now since i had gone through all the suggestion in the pass 4 exams ... either I am so bad reading the questions, which that might be the case, the language in the exam is made to cause confusion and I definitely had not over come it yet...

    But at the same time this situation made me think if i passed all those previous exam by luck? I just guessed the correct answer?

     

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    Kristen Charters

    Can I ask what you've been using to study? If  you post what you've been using to study, I can try to help you figure out other resources that could be helpful.

    If you are struggling with question formatting, I would recommend that you try to gather  and take as many different practice exams as possible. From Ballast/Kaplan 4.0, Ballast 5.0, Amber's test, designer hacks, NALSA flashcards if you have them, the free NCARB ARE app (I think its called  ARE 5 Architecture Flashcards, quizlet, etc.

    I agree the language in the exam is not the easiest to understand. But I don't think you passed all your other exams solely based on luck. You absolutely know the material! Both PPD and PDD are tricky exams that cover a broad variety of material-it's very easy to become discouraged. You can do this!

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    Phebe Tam

    Hi Kristen thanks for following up!

    • used ASC, BCI, read chapters in IBC ( 3,4,5 10)
    • read FEMA, Chapter4,5
    • used AGS when I studied PDD for details, but they have some good diagrams for site stuff and lighting
    •  did Amber videos and also found a youtube channel calls The Engineering Mindset very helpful.
    • Since I did this exam so many times, I saved a lot of images to explain stuff or terms that I don't get it ( I made a binder for them)
    • and ARE Handbook
    • also read AREcoach for tiny little topics

    For practice test, I did Ballast, Designer Hacks and the NCARB one, I spent a lot of money on practice tests and study guides in other division and retaking tests that I am hesitated to get new materials.

    This round I think i am trying to sit with the ARE Handbook more?

    My weakest area is PROJECT INTEGRATION OF PROGRAM & SYSTEMS and ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS & CONTEXT ...the other sections I seems do fine (scored 1 and 2).

    Thanks!

     

     

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    Michelle Gonzales

    Hi,

    The Environmental Conditions and Context comes straight out of the resources you would have used to study for PPP/SPD/PA. Sun, Wind and Light is a book that would help here, as well as Site Planning and Design Handbook (specifically Chapter 10). I recalled that the first chapter of Building Construction Illustrated as it concerns climate, sun and building orientation is pretty important to this topic. I also found learning the tree types (conifers vs deciduous) and their uses for shade, sound control and pollutant control ended up being valuable as well.

    Also, your study list is light on structures. There is YouTube playlist of tutorials from Dilip Khatri that helped me somewhat cover that topic specifically for the exam.

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    Tony Young

    I understand your pain, I've taken PPD and PDD and each test I feel like almost nothing I read, or studied in the study guides is on the test. It's like how can you prepare for a test that the study material doesn't align with the test. I hope that the test or study material changes. For example I had a question related to progressive collapse as part of a security question. No study guide had that information in it, I only knew because the type of work I do but that's not something everybody would know. I can only say keep going forward that's my plan.

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    Phebe Tam

    Thanks Michelle, I did go over basic concepts with structure, i think i did not mention it because it is basic, and not many question on the test that made me most frustrated. But yes, I will go over them again!

     

    Hey Tony, I agree, and your comment proven that the style and fundamental of the exam changed, but this exam board seems does not see it will affect test taker. And they did not see that the practice, the industry is playing a even more important role to test take to mentor them, on daily basis, which actually helping them to prepare the test .They already proclaim it is more align with the real world practice, but all office are giving chance for people who just join the industry to expose to all phases in the project. Now we don't need to wait to finish AXP to take the test, and the time to become architect seems shorten-- but hey where those experiences come from? Logical decision (guessing) really comes from experience...

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