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    William May

    I'll be the first to respond.

    It seems to me that NCARB has incorrectly indicated PASS rates on the basis that two groups have been lumped into the results.

    If only one group - First time test takers, were the matrix number, the percentages would be accurate As Is.

    But, when including Second and Third Time test takers, something happens to the numbers.

    Let's say that 10 people take a division test.  Five Pass and five Fail.  The PASS rate is 50%.

    But, let's say that in the same time period of 12 months, the five that failed retake the test and all five PASS.

    Now can we say that the PASS rate is 100%?

    What if of the five people retesting only 3 people PASS the second time, does that mean the PASS rate is now 80%?

    What if on the first time no passes the division.  But, in the second time, 4 PASS and then in the third time 3 PASS.

    Does that mean that the PASS rate is 70%?

    It seems to me that the results of the test are skewed and therefore can not be deemed acceptable.  The answer to the question is that the results are Higher that what is being reported.  This is a FAIL.

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    Scott Barber

    William,

    My interpretation of the statistics is the pass rate for each exam taken, not each person passing an exam over a period of time. 

    So if 10 people take the exam and half pass the first time, and then the other half take it again and only 3 pass, then that would be 8 passes out of 15 exams taken (10 from the first round and 5 from the second hypothetical round), equalling a pass percentage of 53.

     

    Either way - does it make a difference in your studying and preparation? I looked at the passing rates, but it didn't influence my study approach or attitude at all. I know these are difficult, but everyone testing is different and some people are naturally good at testing and others aren't. Some people have been working for 20 years and others have been working for 20 days. I'm curious how pass rates would impact your preparation for these exams.

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    William May

    Hi Scott,

    Thanks for your interpretation.

    I guess it's a question of value.  To you, the information makes no matter, no value.  For me, it's a matter of value.  It is maybe a matter of validity.  I read one comment where a computer crashed.  The candidate followed protocol.  The person contacted NCARB CS as was told that they were unaware of any such situation.

    From additional responses there was and still is a persistent problem.  But, no matter.  Just musing.  This is the only contact I have with people who are in the same situation - taking the ARE.  So the General Discussion is a place to vent, get help, give insight and howl at the moon so to speak. 

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    Kurt Fanderclai

    And, apparently, rambling incoherently.

    Scott corrected your math, then asked how test results reports would affect your exam preparation.

    Unfortunately, in lieu of answering that really valid question, you immediately veered off topic into some vague interpretation of test center computer crashes.

    Are you ever going to buckle down, choose an exam, study for it, and take it? Many on this forum will help you if you appear to be making an effort. But your current line of nonsense is going nowhere.

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