Sequencing the ARE

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    David Kaplan

    Paul

    Are you saying that the three tests you took in 4.0 are expired and you're starting over anew in 5.0?  You said "starting a new rolling clock."  Was about to type a recommendation to your question but am wondering if I'm misunderstanding. 

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    Paul Carson

    Hi David ~

    You are correct, I did NOT pass any of the (3) sat for in 4.0; and now have transitioned into 5.0.  Now, with an office full of 100's of books from the 4.0, I am simply trying to start over FRESH; and anew, with a headstrong direct focus to the finish line, and now I seek an expert to share with me the smartest and most efficient path.  Does this solve your wondering?  Thank you for taking the time to assist, I am coachable and all ears. ~ pec

     

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    David Kaplan

    Paul,

    Was hoping you'd say the opposite because that's almost in line with how I did the ARE: CDS and PPP in 4.0, and PA, PPD, and PDD in 5.0.

    Unfortunately, I'm not much help to you with respect to other 5.0 tests that I didn't take.  However, I can tell you that I personally did PA, PPD, then PDD in that order.  I think PA before those other two was a good call because there's overlap between PA and PPD.  And then there's overlap between PPD and PDD.  Many people have said though that you could take PDD before PPD, which I agree with. 

    Best of luck!

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    Paul Carson

    I was also hoping; however, after 3-fails in a row, I gave up and walked away (a humbling experience that I never do, give up).  SO after extensive research on 5.0, I now see the light at the end of the tunnel, a light that has been shut off due to budget restraints - lol.

    This DOES in fact help David; whereas, if no one else leaves a comment, I may just stick with going right down the sequential order than has been offer by NCARB...PraM, ProM, PA, PPD, PDD, CE.  Hence, overlapping is key, so thank you very much for this advise, you are a true scholar, and I would work with you on any project, any size, any day!

    Best

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    Paul Carson

    One more question: if time permits, may I ask that you round up the materials you used to study for PA, PPD, PDD?  I have way too many books, and part of my problem is 'removing' material; for as you know there is a lot of material for each exam, and return greenies like myself need to start over, read one book at a time, then go onward for positive momentum and confidence.  Does this make sense?

    TY!

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    David Kaplan

    Paul - I have posts that cover all three of those tests and the exact sources I studied.  If you click on my profile name, you can see all the posts that I've done.  They're all there.

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    Stephanie Waples

    Paul,

    I will chime in here as I have taken and passed PcM, PjM, and PA, in that order. A little background -- I have less than 3 years of full-time experience, and what experience I do have is in the niche market of historic preservation. What I'm saying is, I did not feel comfortable relying on work experience to bail me out on these tests. The projects I have been working on have also been long, drawn out, complicated, government funded projects -- meaning they only reached construction within the past few months and that's where all my CE experience has been. Now, you may ask, where is she going with this? There is a point in here somewhere...

    Many people on here will recommend studying to PcM, PjM, and CE all simultaneously. I did not go that route due to my lack of CE experience. I simply don't feel like I have enough knowledge about constructability to try to tackle CE at this point, even if I know the contracts backwards and forwards. Instead, I chose to take PA since I have more experience in analyzing existing conditions and doing logic puzzles to try to fit all the constraints. 

    I will confirm that PcM and PjM have a TON of overlap. If I had more real-world experience and wasn't such a paranoid over-studier, then studying for both together and then taking them close together would probably be smart. There are many people on this forum who have done just that and been successful. If you have more CE experience than I do, you could probably throw that one in the mix as well. 

    Hopefully that's helpful to you. Good luck!

    Stephanie

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    David Kaplan

    Last piece of advice - go through the description of each of the 6 tests and identify the one that you think you're the strongest in already.  I would recommend taking that one and getting a win under your belt to start this process.  Sign up for the test you feel the most comfortable in - pass it - and you'll start this whole thing off on the right foot and also may not feel as down in case you should fail an exam after.

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    Paul Carson

    Stephanie Waples

    Thank you Stephanie, this is good help, and both of your recommendations are valid and solid in merit.  I have a better understanding of my sequencing, and now I am off to find those listed materials to which David Kaplan mentioned; although, I am new to this community, and was not able to locate said material on my first go around, looking under his 'posts'.  Best, and thank you kindly ~ pec

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