PjM Fail :(

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    Ruth Brooks

    (Continuation of my first post)
    For some reason I couldn’t edit my first post to add more.

    Anyways, I was going to say that I’m thinking of retesting PjM when I get back from my trip since the end of the 60 day wait won’t be too far away.

    I am open to any suggestions and advice. Thanks!

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    Kailey Smith

    Ruth,

    I failed PjM this past Monday as well. It burned me pretty bad. Just as you mentioned, I felt very good during and at the end of the test. I felt like I was comfortable with the topics and that I was good to go. So I was very shocked and pained to see that I had failed. 

    I already have PA scheduled for March and after failing PjM, I almost want to reschedule it because I heard PA is pretty hard. If anyone has suggestions on what to do and how to get back in the saddle before taking another exam soon, that would be very helpful. The last thing I want to do right now is study for PA when all I can think about PjM.

    Thanks!

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    Ruth Brooks

    Hi Kailey,

    I am so sorry you did not pass PjM. In my original post I said that I probably would just wait the 60 days to PjM but now I'm thinking that I just may move on to CE instead of wallowing in my misery for 60 days. I have to remind myself that I did pass 1 test on the first try so it is possible! So you can pass PA, I have faith in you! I'm not really sure how to get back into the saddle with studying either but hopefully I'll get it together sometime next week. If you have any suggestions or anything let me know! I'm pretty isolated where I'm at (the experience gap in my office between me and the next person is about 14 yrs and most of my friends have yet to start testing) so if you want to chat about studying for PjM shoot me an email. Ruth.j.brooks@gmail.com

    Thanks!

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    Derek Mason

    Hi Ruth & Kailey,

    I took the PA twice and failed it each time. It was my first v5.0 exam and it got me. I had taken the CDS 4.0 and transitioned to the v5.0. 

    I was using the Achitect Exam Prep and felt it was limited. Frankly, using only one source is being limited in ofitself. So, I picked up my old Ballast ARE book and looked for study suggestions onn this form. I watched the free YouTube videos. I also spent a little money (little compared to the use I am giving it and compared to other sources) by signing up for designerhacks.com Its quizes with changing questions and explenations for the answers. Sometimes they give a outside source to look at. I used it daily. I took my PcM exam yesterday and felt good about it. Planning to take the PjM next then to tackle the PA. 

    I will find out soon if I passed the PcM, but I felt much better about it then the PA exam. 

    My suggestion is to go for it. If you are tinking too much on the question, jsut flag it and move on. You need the time for the Case Studies. 

     

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    Jessica Fleming

    You might consider taking the CE next. Thats my plan after trying PjM and PcM. It also has questions about the contracts and obviously construction admin topics that should be fresh in your head from studying for these two. It may also give you a new perspective on topics that may help you pass PcM. Like I said....thats my plan. Havent tested it yet, but I did see this post: 

    https://are5community.ncarb.org/hc/en-us/community/posts/360000880708-PJM-followed-CE-5-days-of-cramming-for-CE-worked-for-me

     

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    Eric Mortensen

    Ruth, thanks for your posts and comments - I've read through a couple of your comments and feel encouraged by your experience. Congrats on all your passes! 

    I failed PjM this last Friday and felt pretty stupid all weekend. I thought I had prepared but I honestly didn't feel confident at all while taking the test. 

    I studied the contracts and the Brightwood Architecture PjM manual thoroughly, which I'm pretty disgusted with at the moment. The material in the manual is so redundant and hardly relevant to the test questions. 

    Anyways, I'm eager to throw my Brightwood Architecture manual in the trash and jump into your suggested readings (AHPP, Schiff Harden, etc.) but don't want to have to wait 60 days before I try again - I feel eager to keep my study momentum going despite having just failed (gotta love how they spell FAIL out in bold on your score report - you'd think a "NO PASS" would do haha...) I'm thinking of jumping into PcM right away, and I definitely don't want to fail this one.

    What was your strategy with PcM? I now have the Ballast manual as well as Brightwood (unfortunately) - did you use either of these? I just want some clear direction before immersing myself AGAIN into inadequate study material.

    Any advice would be so welcome - thanks!

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    Ruth Brooks

    Hi Eric! I'm glad I could be of some use and encouragement to you! You are definitely not in this alone. I totally understand the feeling of defeat and it's hard to feel like you're capable again but you are! and I felt the same way about seeing the FAIL in bold red of all colors smh way to rub it in right!

    The reason I decided to wait the 60+(it was more like 4 months for me ha!) was b/c me personally, my brain just couldn't move on to something else. Also, I ended up going out of the country so that also set me back b/c I was determined to enjoy my trip! But hey, if you feel like going for PcM, go for it!

    For PcM, the sources I used were basically the same as PjM but diff sections of the sources:

    - start with the questions in the PcM section of the handbook. if you understand those and how those questions are worded and what they're looking for exactly, I think you will be building a good foundation  

    - Schiff Hardin lectures. I believe Schiff hardin lectures are useful for PcM, PjM and CE. There are lectures related to starting your own practice, project delivery methods, insurance, and of course the A201 & B101. Some might say the other lectures are not necessary but I found them helpful for PcM.

    - AHPP: I cant remember all the sections but basically anything that relates to risk management, project delivery, code of ethics, etc. There is an outline of the related chapters floating around somewhere on the forum. To me this should be your main source b/c it really breaks everything down in a way that third-party stuff just doesn't..

    - I did read through related sections in ballast 4.0 but more so just for refreshing. The AHPP goes into a lot more detail that I believe is needed. Also, I personally feel 4.0 version is better than 5.0 if you are using any third-party materials, but don't rely on it. 

    I study a lot for these exams b/c I feel like my memory isn't that good so in order for me to really know and understand things, I have to go over it many times ha!. Of course this is just what worked for me. There is a lot more advice in the PcM section of the forum and what I tend to do is read through all the relevant posts for that section and take what I feel works for me. I hope this helps some! 

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    Mohammed Ali Haddad

    Hi Everyone, 

    Just failed PjM yesterday although I was very confident throughout the exam and I'm also a certified PMP! To be honest though I was short on answering the last few questions on the case studies so I would appreciate any recommendations. I'm studying from AHPP, Ballast, and AEP exam simulation (which by the way I was scoring nothing less 75%), and of course Schiff Hardin Lectures. I have CE scheduled for next month and PjM after 60 days!

    Wondering if any of you guys have already passed PjM what was your study plan.  

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    Elizabeth Lagarde

    Hi Everyone, 

    I took PjM in November and I felt very good about it as well and was hurt when I found out I got a FAIL at the end of it. I felt that having passed PcM & CE on first try, passing PjM would be next. It hurt me more because months before I was promoted as PM and it made me doubt the work that I do. I had planned to schedule PA after taking PjM, but decided to put that on hold because I knew I would have PjM on my mind. 

    I had my retake yesterday and I was happy to see the "likely pass" at the end of it. After seeing the official PASS on my score report I now feel I can move on to the next exam.

    My first step before going back into studying, I read my score report to see what sections/objectives I needed to improve on and focused on those first. 

    The first time studying for this exam. I gave myself 2 weeks to study. This time around I gave myself 6 weeks to study. One each section and the remaining week to review the materials.

    Resources:

    • AHPP - I had followed Kevin Griendling's Guide in my first round of studying, but for my second round of studying I followed the Wiley Navigating Guide to focus on specific objectives I needed to improve on.
    • Ballast - Read the chapters that they reference to read as well. 
    • Schiff Hardin Mike Hanahan's Lectures - the lectures on contracts are a must of course but I also recommend "Office Management and Fee Calculation" and "Alternative Project Delivery Methods" as another resource
    • Pluralsight - I used the trial as overview in my last week before taking the exam

    Exam Tips: Do the case studies first. 

    Good luck on your retake! Don't give up!

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