Another 'Just took the Practice Management Exam' (good & bad)

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    Jeffrey Giuggio

    Daniel,

     

    Thanks for your input, I am taking my exam on Friday.  The only question I had is I notice a lot of people are talking about calculations.  Are they referring to the Financial equations in the AHPP.  

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    Daniel Spilman

    Hi Jeffery.

    I want to be careful with what information I divulge.

    I would make sure you are familiar with each of the objectives listed in the ARE 5.0 Handbook.

    The objectives that would require math would be the objectives relating to staff utilization and financial well-being of a practice. Hope this helps!

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    Jeffrey Giuggio

    Ok sounds good, that helps.  I wasnt looking for specifics. I appreciate your feedback  Thanks Daniel.

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    Anirudh Dhawan

    Hi friends, 

    Thanks so much for all these posts, they are really helpful i feel as i am taking practice management tomorrow in San Francisco and have taken the day from work to brush up and try to relax before the morning exam. I appreciate the suggestions and am glad to be taking the licensing exams alongside such persistent individuals.

    In terms of study material, I have been studying the contracts (A-101, A-201, B-101), Code of ethics (AIA, NCARB), AHPP Students Edition, some ARE 4.0 CDS Flashcards, The PPI ARE 5.0 practice exam + review material, and have been utilizing the plural sight videos this past weekend. I also took a look at the NCARB materials such as the Handbook, video tutorials and practice exam.

    To give some background on my training, I have a bachelors and post professional masters in arch and have been working in large departmental based corporations, Medium sized studio organized LLC's, a design build public art collective, and currently and smaller boutique office that is working as architect of record on a complex large project involving design build and design assist contracts so much of the material in this exam was beginning to make a lot of sense and give light to some of the scenarios i encountered in the past.

    There is still an unsettling feeling im trying to get over lol. I think its more on the test itself since i finished my masters about 5 years ago and just haven't really taken any exams since.

    Might sound like a stupid question, but do you guys get this feeling before the exam too, any suggestions on how to shake it off? : )

    Gonna try to review material that i feel i may still lag on the practical understanding and try to understand more contextually how to approach potential questions. 

    Il try to post some comments from my experience tomorrow too. Sorry if my post is a lot of rambling, i just want to try ot be more involved in the community : )

    Cheers, 

    Anirudh 

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    Darguin Fortuna

    Hi Daniel,

    I would say that had I have had people making comments about timing before I took the exam, I probably would have progressed faster through it. You had a good chunk and awesome feedback throughout your studies which was limited to us. I took Project Management and had a good amount of time to finish and go back to all flagged for review items. I prepared better for Practice Management however but did not know how much thinking the answers required and by preparing well for Prac.Man I had prepared well for Project Management as well but indirectly. I still think more time for Practice Management will be the exam more fair and I think I also did very well and chances are I passed too.

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    Justin Crosby (Edited )

    Daniel,

    I took this exam yesterday as well and I think that your critique was very reflective of my experience. Question load times, slow; calculator, clunky. And you pretty well nailed it with the recommendations of study material. AHPP, know that beast, it's very helpful.

    I took 2 different practice tests, both 80 questions, and even on the first one that I took where I was less familiar with the material, it didn't take me 2:45 minutes to complete (of course it was out of a book without the 5 second question load time to deal with). I saw a few posts where people were complaining about the time, and this concern was in the back of my mind the whole time yesterday, though I purposefully refused to look at the timer. And when I was done I had about 35 minutes to spare. I had flagged several questions (though I had taken the time initially to answer each question just in case time really did become a factor). And I had plenty of time to go back to each question I had flagged.

    I guess if I had one thing that really bothered me it would have been that I found a few questions that seemed to be more about dissecting the question itself to get to the actual question, as opposed to reading a question and answering the question. My opinion, you either know the material or you don't. And there's a lot of material you need to know for this test. No need to further complicate things by making a question ambiguous.

    On to Project Management in January. Best of luck to you all.

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    Anirudh Dhawan

    I just finished this one and have to agree on what was irritating about the new version. There was quite a bit of lag and the calculator was a bit tricky to use. I think from the resources that I studied the content in the exam was fair, but I finished with about 3 min left so yeah no time to really review anything.

    I'm also planning on taking project management before January 31st

    Ani

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    Daniel Spilman

    Justin,

    Great remarks, thanks replying! I'm glad to hear we had similar experiences. I completely agree with all your points.

    Hopefully things turned out well for both of us. 

    I too am headed onto Project Management. I'm scheduled for 12/23. I feel like studying for Practice Management was a strong primer for this next one. Best of luck to you as well! 

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    Jeffrey Giuggio

    I just took the Practice Management Exam, and I think Justin's and Daniel's analysis was right on point.  The lagging between questions and the calculator was annoying,but I was left with about 30 min to review my answers.  I felt the content was relevant and right on with the AHPP.  Dan is right this book is a must for this exam.  I felt some of the questions required a lot of analysis while other were easy to answer quickly, and obvious there were a couple of surprises which one would expect taking a exam. I am on to the Project Management Exam next month, whether I passed or failed it gave me an idea on what to expect moving forward. Best of luck everyone. 

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    Philip Viana

    Good breakdown, Daniel. As everyone else has said, I second your remarks about the slow loading times and the time-wasting calculator. I don't think I'm exaggerating to guess that I wasted 5-10 minutes using a mouse-only calculator over keyboard input.

    I had a harder time than the rest of you - I studied the Ballast 5.0 guide, and read Segal's Professional Practice: A Guide to Turning Designs into Buildings, which the Guidelines seemed to emphasize was an important read, and I felt underprepared, blindsided by a few questions with unfamiliar content. I also thought that some questions expected a level of mastery of the material that wasn't reflected in the amount of content in the Ballast and Segal. I'm part to blame for not rote memorizing the material enough. I think, assuming I fail, I'll look at the AHPP.

    I also highly recommend anyone who is preparing to take Practice Management to sit down with all the material, no matter how little it is talked about, and really practice every nook and cranny f the content. Look at the AIA contracts in more detail than you think you might need to, and really develop an understanding of everything available to you (we need to keep advice somewhat vague due to testing policies prohibiting sharing specific information about the specific questions on the exam).

    All in all, I think it was a good experience, mostly sobering to realize how much harder I need to study for future exams.

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    Daniel Spilman

    Philip,

    Thanks for the affirmation. Sorry to hear things didn't go as well as you were hoping for, but who knows...the cut score is still TBD. 

    Yes I would definitely look toward the AHPP. It is a hefty book, but there is no doubt that this is the best resource for this exam. Mine is currently filled with post-its, flags, highlights and notes. I can confidently say that there is nothing that I encountered on Practice Management exam that was not outlined in the ARE 5.0 Handbook and then explained in-depth in the AHPP. I took about 3 weeks (about 2 hours/day during my metro commute) and read this thing cover-to-cover and I would recommend the same to anyone else.

    Hopefully your scores turn out better than you think! Best of luck as you move forward!

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    Darguin Fortuna

    Philip Viana

    I agree with you on the mastery part. I thought the same after I left the exam but since I have been very involved with practice development process at various offices I felt I was 85 percent there. The AIA contracts must be understood deeply. 

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    Shane Germany

    Daniel, you are the man. This is hands down the best information I have gotten about the 5.0 version on the entire internet. Thanks! Keep us posted with the rest of the sections and how you end up doing.

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    Rebecca Phipps

    Hey Daniel, Thanks so much for your posts, they have been helpful.  I posted my experience on other threads, so I won't add here.  I read your other thread to Ryan and see the frustration, hopefully you did well and it's the mid exam stress, but yeah the calculator fix needs to be addressed. Best of luck as you continue, looks like you're moving through these quickly. I'm in the L.A. area too, getting ready for what I hope to be my last exam PDD at the end of this month. If you know anyone in the area studying for this test let me know, I'd be up for a few study group sessions before I test.

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    Claudia Giangrande Fernandez

    Hi Daniel,

    I was wondering how much time you devoted to studying before sitting the exam? I know everyone is different, but this will be my first exam and I'm trying to figure out when to schedule it. Any feedback would be useful :)

    Thanks!

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    Aashti Miller

    Hi Daniel,

    I know this was a while ago. I know there is no clear cut answer on this - but I was wondering to what extent to study the AHPP and AIA contracts. I am familiar with the higher level concepts in them, but as you can imagine, it seems impossible for me to learn the 1000 pages of the book (or even the 50+ pages of notes I took while reading it). I'm just a little overwhelmed at this point.

    Thanks!

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    Darguin Fortuna

    To test your knowledge, grab very odd scenarios that happened at a firm which firm owners need to deal with in general. Odd cases when a consultant messes up, the owners favorite interior designer relationship as it relates to you. Also very specific ideas about establishing a firm. I would say having a general idea is a good start but you must know more in order to not get confused and have a sense of clarity that makes all wrong answers obvious. The handbook and the contracts are the only things I studied back in Nov. 2016 (First week of the exam I think) and I passed. Come up with disputes scenarios and conflicts and mitigate them with either the contracts, firm risks assessment and mitigation strategies and so forth. There is an outline of chapters Kevin Griendling shared awhile ago. It was my only to do list really. Best of luck and keep going. It gets harder right before it gets very easy just like anything else in life.

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    Gulsen Huner

    Which sections of AHHP should I study for Project Management and Practice Management?

    Thank you!

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