Practice Management & Project Management Overlaps

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    Michelle NCARB

    Hi Darguin,

    We often say that the line between Practice Management and Project Management is when a contract is signed and the project begins.  You can learn more about each division and the differences between them in this blog post.

    You're right, many references listed in the Handbook are good resources for both divisions, but that's because many of those books discuss running a practice as well as running a project.  The content areas listed in the Handbook should help you narrow down which chapters are more relevant for Project Management.

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    Kevin Griendling

    Hi Darguin,

    You are definitely a trail-blazer on the 5.0 format. Congrats on your drive and courage.

    The AHPP 15th edition remains the primary resource for this exam. Pro-Prac becomes less valuable in comparison to its status during Practice Management study, while the BIM book becomes marginally more valuable. That said, the short answer is that yes, many topics will be same. Expect similar questions that may be asked from a different perspective. For example:

    Practice Management:

    "Your client is most concerned about how big the build can be, rather than how it looks. Which of the following resources would have the most stringent guidelines for building size?"

    *List of possible resources

    Project Management (Simplified for clarity of response):

    "The local zoning FAR limits your client's building to 2,500 square feet less than the IBC states is the allowable square footage. What is the most appropriate path forward when your client wishes to proceed with a building that exceeds the FAR?"

    *Possible answers may include responses that relate to rebuttals, refusals, planning/zoning procedures, IBC exceptions, etc.

     

    The key is to understand that the subject matter is the same, but there is a clear division in phase and context surrounding how it is asked. Not to mention there will be new subjects like project budgets and scheduling (PjM) as opposed to firm revenue projections (PcM), and other similar content.

    I've put together for all candidate's use another scratch sheet highlighting the sections in AHPP 15th edition that should be the object of focus. There are a few extra notes at the bottom about useful resources as well.

    Download here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4BvCc3nt7PsVTZJaUR5OTNtTkU

     

    Good luck!

     

    Kevin Griendling, AIA

    www.paramarch.com

    www.pluralsight.com

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    Ryan NCARB

    I am going to jump in here because a couple of things Kevin said are not correct.  First, the subject matter between Practice Management and Project Management are NOT the same.  Practice Management is about what it takes to run a practice or firm; Project Management is about what it takes to run a specific project.  These are very different subject matters.  The blog post Michelle referenced above clearly talks about this.

    Second, I recommend using the outline of the ARE 5.0 Handbook to structure your studying, not the table of contents from the AHPP.  The AHPP is an excellent resource, but the Handbook outlines exactly what is being assessed in each of the divisions.

    Hope this helps.

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    Kevin Griendling (Edited )

    Ryan/Darguin,

    Perhaps I should clarify that in the two cases where I presented the AHPP index (PjM and PcM), I was doing so merely as a guide for which topics to study from that resource. I do not intend my response to Darguin's inquiry to be the end-all-be-all resource for what content will appear on this exam.

    On the incorrectness of my post, Michelle made a comment in https://are5community.ncarb.org/hc/en-us/community/posts/220081287-Study-References  that stated,

    "You'll notice that a lot of books are suggested references for multiple divisions.  Continuing on Kevin's thoughts, for instance, there's overlap between PcM and PjM references.  So no, I don't think you have to seek out PjM info to prepare for PcM - but you might find as you prepare for PcM, that you (inadvertently) are preparing for PjM at the same time."

    So I certainly misspoke when toward the end I said "The key is to understand that the subject matter is the same," but in that instance what I was referring to was the particular content alluded to in my first paragraph where I said "...the short answer is that yes, many topics will be same."

    Many topics are related, not all topics. I sincerely hope this clarifies things for you Darguin (and all). Perhaps even more to the point based on Ryan's response, it shoud be further revised to state "some" instead of "many", and "same" to be "related". 

    Ryan, would you agree that a pretty good example of this overlap would be that you should have a pretty clear command of the typical AIA contracts? They remain relevant to both exams, and it is kind of hard to study for one exam and not the other while reviewing this content.

     

    Best,

     

    Kevin Griendling, AIA

    www.paramarch.com

    www.pluralsight.com

     

    *Edited to correct a typo.

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    Darguin Fortuna

    I understand what Kevin meant. I have listened to both of the most recent Webinars and NCARB has made it clear that there is no repeated question but mostlikely a different frame of reference. Practice focuses on a healthy, profitable and well managed office overall, Project Management is a component of such a practice that goes more in depth into how we achieve such health, profits and solve direct problems related to specific project scenarios as well as direct staffing issues deeper than running the staff but how that staff is assigned to specific projects to meet budget goals and client concerns as well as achieving the standard of care. Practice was about what you need to do and know and Project is how you do it on project matters at each possible scenario that might appear. 

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    Ryan NCARB

    Two of the AIA Contract Documents are addressed in both PcM and PjM (and CE), but not all.  Use the matrix on the last page of the ARE 5.0 Handbook to guide you.

    Sounds like you have a good handle on it though Darguin!

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    Darguin Fortuna (Edited )

    Ryan,

    Thanks a lot for your prompt responses. i have a question regarding the Handbook sample question 2 for section 1. I answered the question rather quickly but noticed just recently that the question wants us to drag and place the numbers into the correct weekly hours but there is only 1 40 hour and we end up using it twice. Not sure if this makes sense. My point is when dragging from a bunch of number one assumes those numbers wong repeat unless they are being repeated in the group to pick from or at least have a x2 or some way of knowing we can drag in multiple times. The most interesting part is that we have been given 7 sets of numbers and the prep sample question takes the 40 hours out but leaves the 10 and the 20 even though it has been used. It is sort of inconsistent or is it just me?

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    Michelle NCARB

    Hi Darguin,

    Nope, nothing inconsistent here.  For some drag and place items, multiple copies of each number/component are provided, but the copies are stacked on top of each other.  Stacking them keeps that area on the left cleaner so you can more easily see what you're working with. In PjM sample item 2, two copies of each label are provided.  Both copies of 40 are used, which is why it disappears from the area on the left, but only one copy each of 10 and 20 are used, which is why you still see them on the left.

    The best place to see this in action is in the demonstration exam - look for PPD sample item 7.  Try it out and let me know if you have more questions about it.

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    Darguin Fortuna

    Michelle you do see what I mean right? It at first does not appear odious or intuitive at least not to me.

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    Michelle NCARB

    Darguin, I know it doesn't seem obvious when you're looking at a printed page in the Handbook, which is why I described the stacking.  Try it out in the Demonstration Exam, then let me know if you still have questions.

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