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    Ryan NCARB

    Alen,

    That is not correct.  If you transition to ARE 5.0 you will still need to take a complete division, in this case Programming & Analysis.  The ARE (4.0 or 5.) is not designed to allow only taking portions of exams.

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    Alen Malekian

    Second follow up question. If I schedule a test under 4.0 after November 1st and pass the exam, can I switch to 5.0 from that point on? The purpose of question is I need to pass Site planning and design to be able to fully credit the programming and Analysis when I switch to 5.0. I want to take SPD in November and then switch to 5.0

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    Danielle Lynn

    I have a question that relates to this as well, and deciding when to transition to 5.0. Allen, I believe the answer to your question above is yes: 4.0 is available until mid 2018. I'm also trying to do the combo 4.0/5.0 strategy for 5 exams, but it looks like we may be able to do this without SPD. This is my question for NCARB:

    All of the resources mention that 5 exams is only available by taking 4.0 CDS/PPP/SPD, and the remaining 3 exams in 5.0. However, it also looks like (per the transition calculator) this could be done with only CDS/PPP in 4.0, and taking Programming and Analysis in 5.0 instead of 4.0 SPD? I want to confirm this option is also available? I've already completed CDS & PPP. Also, any benefits/drawbacks to doing SPD 4.0 vs. P&A 5.0? Thanks!

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    Kyle Ferrier

    Danielle, Alen - I was wondering this too. I plan on doing SPD before transitioning, rather than doing an extra exam in the 5.0, due to the study material that's out right now. However when I passed CDS, I got this message which I think answers your question:

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    Michelle NCARB

    Hi all -

    Great comments from Danielle and Kyle.  Yes, you can transition after taking just CDS and PPP in 4.0 and still have the opportunity to complete the ARE in 5 tests by taking P&A, PP&D, and PD&D in 5.0.  We've often suggested candidates also take SPD in 4.0 before transitioning, but that was when the transition was far away!  Now that Nov. 1 is almost here, candidates might want to transition one test sooner and not wait to take SPD.  Benefits to that: two fewer vignettes, plus possibly getting an additional early tester gift card.

    Alen, hope that answers your question. Danielle is also correct that you can transition anytime after Nov. 1, until 4.0 is turned off on 6/30/18.

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    Brice Aarrestad

    If you get credit for a portion of a test through a 4.0 test does that mean you can't fail that particular portion of the 5.0 test because you already passed that content in the 4.0 test? For example if I take PPD in 5.0 after taking SPD in 4.0 do the questions pertaining to site planning and design on the 5.0 test actually count? In this example could I fail the 5.0 test if the SPD questions are answered incorrectly even though I passed that subject in the 4.0 test?

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    Joan NCARB

    Hi Brice,

    It's not possible to get credit for a portion of the test as the exams are being scored, so yes, your 5.0 divisions will each be graded as a whole.  I understand what you're saying about "getting credit" for 4.0 divisions when you transition to 5.0, but that doesn't apply to the scoring of the exam.  I hope this clarifies.  If you need to discuss your specific situation, Customer Service is available to help at 202-879-0520.  

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    Samantha Miller

    8 years ago I took 2 tests and failed. Three years ago I started testing again and passed six divisions in a row, then failed SD 60 days ago, and I'm pretty sure I failed it again today- noticed a fatal error with 20 minutes left in my six-hour exam. After poking around these sites and per the comments above it appears my options are as follows: A) wait another 60 days to try a third time on SD-4.0, and if I fail that time too, then I must transition to 5.0 because it is less than a year to May 2018, and retest a bunch of material I already passed; or B) ditch the vignettes and just transition to 5.0 now, and go back and re-study a ton of material that I already passed in 4.0. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

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    Michelle NCARB

    Hi Samantha,

    I'm sorry to hear about your SD experiences!  Based on your info here, yes, you could retest in SD in September.  If needed, you'd have one more retest available in SD next May before 4.0 turns off on June 30, 2018.  I recommend joining and posting on the ARE 4.0 Community (link available in your NCARB Record) as you prepare.  Nick, Ryan, and I are all there providing feedback to 4.0 candidates, especially on vignette solutions.

    If you don't pass SD, or if you decide to skip SD and transition now, you'll just have one test in 5.0 - PPD - and yes, it includes content similar to the 4.0 divisions that you've already passed.  So factor that into your decision.  Did you take some of those divisions recently?  Maybe the info is still fresh in your mind, so you'd minimize your restudying.  Take a look at the 5.0 Handbook and Demonstration Exam to familiarize yourself with the test before making a decision.

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    Milton Yu

    I think my following question regarding this specific situation has not been asked before. My question is this.

    I took two exams in 4.0. I passed CD&S and am currently waiting for my results on PP&P. In the scenario I failed the PP&P in 4.0 and must wait 60 days to retake it (in 4.0), in the interim, am I allowed to start taking exams in 5.0 as I'm waiting for the 60 day waiting period plus time to actually retake and pass PP&P?

    Here's another way to word the question. Am I allowed to retake a 4.0 exam (not start a new 4.0 exam) once I take a 5.0 exam?

    Thank you!

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    Ryan NCARB

    Milton,

    As we have said many times, it is not possible to be both an ARE 4.0 candidate and an ARE 5.0 candidate.  If you are wanting to retake your PPP exam, you will need to wait to transition to ARE 5.0 after you have taken the PPP and received your results.  The transition is one way, so you may not transition to are 5.0 and then "go back" to continue testing in ARE 4.0.

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