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    Anton Gross

    I'm curious about what everyone is finding for study materials for the streamlined approach of completing the 3 tests in 4.0 (CD&S, PP&P, and SP&D) and then only having 2 tests in 5.0 (PP&D and PD&D).

    I am in this boat and probably going to do this method instead of taking 4 tests with lots of cumbersome vignettes in 4.0. I know that sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't but 2 tests instead of 4 is hard to ignore. Also for me, I have a lot of experience and tests are a hard pill to fit in. I've been studying a lot of structures lately and want to dig my boots in and really prepare for the 2 tests in 5.0 and get er done as they say.

    Please advise on what good study materials you're finding out there.

     

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    Emily Warren (Edited )

    On the webinar today they suggest their handbook as an excellent study resource. I plan on using it as an outline for both PPD & PDD to pull and orginize the materials from the existing 4.0 content from Ballast and Kaplan. They also want us to contact the companies to request the information on 5.0 study materials

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    Ryan NCARB

    Emily, that is a great point that we didn't mention on the webinar! You can absolutely use ARE 4.0 resources to study from based on the content in the Handbook.  You may have to "search" a little more in your ARE 4.0 resources since it won't be organized the same way, but use the Handbook as an outline and dig-in.

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    Samantha Hill

    My firm just purchased the Ballast Loophole Package. We already had the Ballast 4.0 study materials, so we are just adding the 3 books for the 5.0. If you remember, 4.0 Ballast had one big review manual, and then 7 individual sample problems and practice exams. The Ballast 5.0 has (1) Review Manual that includes all 6 divisions, (1) Practice Problems that are organized by the 6 divisions, and (1) Practice Exam book that are organized by the 6 divisions.

    Ballast is available for preorder right now. I have been watching for Brightwood's (Kaplan's) materials, but I'm not sure if I will end up purchasing it

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    Rebecca Smith

    Hi All! I contacted Brightwood Architecture (formally Kaplan) and they informed me that study materials will not be available until sometime in December. Ballast which is available from PPI is expected to be shipped on September 27 if you preorder. For now, I plan on using the resources listed in the ARE 5.0 Handbook to study from. Hope this helps! 

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    Michael Mauceri

    Hello, having passed the three divisions in 4.0 that now leave me with PPD & PDD, I'm still undecided if I should transition. The big factor is not being able to go back to 4.0 once I have chosen to transition to 5.0.  As expected, there continues to be new information released that I feel raise more questions than answers as we approach November such as a cut score process where candidates are waiting 6-10 weeks for first exam scores. I've seen on an older NCARB 5.0 Blog video there will be the possibility of receiving a preliminary pass / fail score at completion of the exam the same day. Is that still likely to happen? It's difficult not to feel skeptical about 5.0 testing during the remainder of 2016. Yet, its difficult for me to not transition with 2 left instead of 4. Thanks

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    Ryan NCARB

    Hey Michael,

    I am curious as to what new information has been released that raises more questions for you?  Is there anything folks on here can help you with?

    To answer your question on the preliminary pass/fail feedback, that is something that we will have the ability to do, but not until after cut scores are established.

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    Samantha Hill

    For me, I weighed the possibilities of using the transition method or completing all in the 4.0. It came down to cost (for me and for the company that I work for), and time. I work for a firm that pays for each test as I schedule it, so if I could show them that doing the transition method would save them roughly $400, it was a worthwhile plan. Also, the time spent. I just started taking the tests, and once I knew that I was going the route of the transition, I knew my plan would be to pass the three 4.0 tests in 2016, and then transition and pass the two remaining tests in 5.0 in 2017. I know that the idea of studying for a new system for the remaining two is a little daunting, but it is the same content, just a different format. After reading the cut score process, it temporarily caused me to question my decision, but ultimately, it came down to having a whole year to study and pass the last two, and I can't not take advantage of that. I am assuming that I won't be involved in the cut score process, because I'll be taking the PPD around March or April of 2017. And if I am involved in it, I'll just have to deal with the long wait (I'm one of those 'refreshers' that keeps checking to see if my score is available).

    I think the transition is a good deal, and I'm looking forward to getting done in 5 tests!

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    Michael Mauceri

    Ryan, the cut score process is the new information I was concerned about. Yes, I agree with Samantha, transition is a good deal, I'm happy to have two remaining exams. BTW Samantha, score reports have been posted every Thursday morning on the three exams I passed. Ideally, taking the exam Friday or Saturday works best as that was the cut-off for the week: I had many co-workers share that information with me - I also had been a habitual window refresher on the first exam; complete waste of your time ;)

    Ultimately, I feel if you are testing in 2016 come November 1, you are competing against others scores rather than a system that had already established pass/fail threshold. Which is fine, I simply did not expect to read about this process 6 weeks outside the launch date. The first 600 candidates testing in the divisions receiving $100 gift card is a great incentive, hopefully I'm one of those 600 and not #601. In all seriousness, that's very kind of NCARB to do.

     

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    Ryan NCARB

    Michael,

    I certainly understand where you are coming from.  I just want to clarify one statement you made.  Your participation as an early tester DOES NOT mean you are "competing" against other candidates or scores.  As we mentioned in THIS BLOG, establishing the cut score is criterion based.  As an early tester your data just helps to inform that criterion.

    Hope this helps.

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    Lara Abisaleh

    How many retake I can do per exam for the new 5.0 ?

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    Michelle NCARB

    Lara, 

    It will be the same policy as for ARE 4.0: You can test on each division of the ARE up to three times within any 12-month period.

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    Juanita Vasquez-Armstrong

    Michelle,

    Is there a way that one can schedule to take one to 5.0 exams before Nov 1st? or we need tro wait until Novemebr 1st to schedule the appoitment.

    Thanks!

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    Michelle NCARB

    Juanita,

    The ARE 5.0 system is one integrated system from eligibility to scheduling to delivery. The entire system becomes active November 1 which then allows you to transition to ARE 5.0 and begin scheduling appointments.

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    Raul Hernandez

    Ryan, 

    I just scheduled my PcM exam for Feb 25, 2017, and I was wanting to make sure if the Early Testing for "Other Divisions" incentive was applicable to this Division. On the website is just says "Other Divisions" but doesn't really specify which divisions. I just assumed it was all other divisions not including PPD for the Feb. 28 early tester incentive.  

     

    Thanks, 

    Raul H.

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    Nick NCARB

    Hi Raul,

    Yes, you are correct. Early testing for five of the six divisions (excluding PPD which ends on January 31st) is guaranteed through February 28th. 

    Hope this helps clarify your question!

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    Emily Warren

    Hey Nick,

    Those who tested today but were interrupted and then could not continue due to the system problems, will they still receive the early tester perks? We did everything we could to test today, but it just did not work out.

     

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    Nick NCARB

    Hi Emily,

    By testing yesterday, you are guaranteed the early tester incentive regardless of when your rescheduled appointment takes place.  Check out this post from yesterday afternoon.  Hope this helps. 

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    Sean Hurley

    Hi Nick,

    I know you referenced the post but I just would like to clarify, if I was effected by the issues yesterday and I reschedule my test for lets say April, if I were to fail would I get a free retest? Thanks.

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    Darci Lorensen

     @NCARB Nick-

    Why have you been very obviously ignoring the other posts about this system wide error? Is that one response on that one post the only answer you are going to keep referring the affected testers to? The answer you gave in that post gave conflicting information to what me and many other candidates heard directly from NCARBs customer support yesterday. 

    It's been over 24 hours, and NCARB has still not directly contacted the testers that encountered the error.  Totally not cool, and very unprofessional.  I was frustrated yesterday at the test center but understanding last night, irritated this morning, now I'm getting downright pissed off.  

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    Nick NCARB

    Sean,

    You are correct. You are guaranteed the early tester incentive even if you reschedule in April. 

    Darci,

    I can assure you that we are not ignoring this issue. Candidates who experienced a problem in the test center yesterday will be receiving an email from NCARB this afternoon.  Also, I can confirm that you are guaranteed the early tester incentive regardless of when your rescheduled appointment takes place. Please look out for an email from NCARB shortly. 

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