A-3 / E Occupancy Clarification

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Qin Qin

October 20, 2023 16:30

Hey All,

Could someone clarify the difference between these two portions of code?  They seem to contradict each other....

 

 

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  Elif Bayram October 20, 2023 16:49 (Edited October 20, 2023 16:53)

  Hi Qin Qin,

  Item 303.1.4 says that if there is an educational room in a worship place with occupant load less than 100, then it should be classified as part of the religious worship occupancy, which is Group A-3. They are not to be considered as a separate occupancy. And the item 305.1.1 repeats this information and says educational rooms in religious worship places with less than 100 occupant load are classified as A-3. So they say the same thing. I think the key here is to know that religious worship places are A-3. 

  Hope this helps!

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  Elif Bayram October 20, 2023 17:00 (Edited October 20, 2023 17:01)

  Sorry Qin Qin, but I tried to post a response to you and NCARB keeps flagging it as "Pending Approval". This has been happening to me a lot, and I am so saddened to see the double standard I receive. 

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  Joel Edwards October 20, 2023 17:12 (Edited October 20, 2023 17:13)

  It's because the two code sections you are showing are related to different occupancy types, Assembly Group A and Educational Group E.

  Some religious entities have accessory "classrooms" in addition to their main sanctuary space. Section 305.1.1 basically states classroom used for religious functions must be classified as Assembly.

  Traditional school classrooms are classified as Educational per the requirements listed in Section 305.

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  Christine Williamson Cronin October 20, 2023 21:34

  Hi Elif - I love your comments here and always learn a lot from them. Just wanted to let you know a ton of my comments get flagged at first. Probably more than half. I’m not sure what the problem is, but ncarb does release them… eventually! I just wanted to let you know you’re not the only one so you don’t take it personally.

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  Elif Bayram October 20, 2023 21:47

  Thanks Christine! It is so frustrating so I hope they find a solution.

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  Kara Zhang October 26, 2023 20:11

  religious classroom = Sunday school classroom

  Religious building= A3

  Sunday school classroom occupant load less than 100=A3

  in other words, Sunday school classroom occupant load is more than 100 = E

  Please let me know if you need more clarification about it.

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  Kara Zhang October 26, 2023 20:18

  I think the key word is the religious educational classroom, which is called Sunday school classroom (SSC) in my religion.

  SSC is not a typical classroom, the kids or adults will only spend 1-2 hours in the classroom. The teachers may be volunteers or pastors. The kids or adults may vary every week. It is very flexible. It is not a full-time classroom. People only use it on Sunday, Wednesday, Friday or Saturday. It depends how the church use it.

   

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