Cut Score Update?

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    Robert Lopez

    For all New York candidates awaiting ARE results:

    NCARB's post is correct in that New York has a one day delay in the release of its test results. This delay was in place originally to allow the State Board for Architecture to process them first, and to give us a head start in processing licensure applications for candidates prior to candidates' calls and emails asking for the next steps in the process. New York has revisited this policy and has made the determination that it is not serving our candidates, nor our staff, very well and needs to be changed.

    As a result, we are working with NCARB to remove this one day delay permanently for our candidates. While I am unsure if this will allow those New York candidates awaiting test results to see your scores today, it will remove this delay for future candidates.

    Thank you to those candidates who have brought this to our attention. We hear you.

    Robert Lopez, RA

    Executive Secretary

    New York State Board for Architecture

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    Melinda Agron

    NCARB Can you update us as to the status of this next round of exam score reports? Are you still anticipating releasing PjM, PPD, and PA this week?

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    Afxentis Christoforou

    Would it be possible to give us an idea of what % complete each division is? Like 300/400 for PPD etc. I think this will give a lot of people some ease.

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    NCARB

    Wenqi,

    PjM, PPD and PA have all hit the 400 administrations mark in the last couple days. Our psychometric consultants are completing the analysis on those this week. We expect the score reports for these divisions to be released the end of next week.

    PDD and CE are just a couple days behind as these divisions should hit 400 administrations the end of this week. We are going to try and get these two divisions done by the end of next week as well but they may slip into the early part of the week of February 8th.

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    Melinda Agron

    Bumping this up as it got buried under other posts over night.

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    Thomas Hill (Edited )

    I agree with Afxentis. A progress update for each division would be much appreciated. How many tests have been taken for each division out of the 400 required to determine the cut scores?

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    NCARB (Edited )

    Candidates that tested on Practice Management should expect their score results first as this division has the highest delivery volume at this time. Project Planning & Design and Project Management have the next highest volumes of current deliveries. Programming & Analysis, Project Development & Documentation, and Construction & Evaluation are expected to be the last divisions released.

    PcM should hit 400 administrations this week and then the final analysis will happen and the establishment process completed by the end of January.

    PPD and PjM should hit 400 administrations early next week (around the 20th) with data analysis starting then and score results being released in early February.

    The remaining three divisions, PA, PDD, and CE, should hit 400 administrations in late January (around the 26th) with the data analysis being completed as soon as possible and results released hopefully in the same early February timeframe.

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    Madison Gilmore

    Thank you for the update, that is helpful. For the divisions that won't be ready until early February, has there been any consideration for a time extension (similar to what NCARB did during the height of the pandemic) or any other incentive? 

    If it is taking longer than anticipated to determine the new cut score, I think a time extension on the rolling clock should be considered. This is potentially causing delays for test takers not knowing their score therefore not knowing if they need to schedule a retake right away. If a time extension is not feasible, will the 2 month waiting period for scheduling a retake be waived?

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    Jennifer Kayne

    NCARB -

    I agree with Michael - the amount that has been shared with test takers via direct communication has been disappointingly minimal.  We shouldn't have to hunt through community posts to find information about cut score updates.  When all tests reached 400 an email should have been sent out and when you established scores would be released Friday another email should have been sent out.  We are in the dark about a process that we invest a lot of time and money in to.  It is your job to be transparent about timeline in this cut score process and you should be doing a much better job.

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    Jennifer Kayne

    NCARB - I can understand people complaining about too many emails for general information and helpful hints etc. but when you are changing the entire way people are testing and scoring and many people are waiting on those results I can assure you people want email updates.  Your response shouldn't just be to cut down on the amount of emails you send period, it should be thinking more strategically about what emails you send - such as announcing scores for those of us anxiously waiting.  I naively had faith that these 5.0 updates would be a good thing and would be handled well but there has been nothing but disappointment with the tests and your lack of response/responsibility - and I know I am not the only one who thinks so

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    Jennifer Kayne

    Just spoke with someone at NY board and they said they don't hold the results so once NCARB releases them we should have them.  But who knows

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    Erin Primerano

    yes, thank you Robert, information  and transparency is appreciated, especially when it is crucial to ones career.

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    Michael Riscica

    GREAT!

    When is NCARB going to communicate this to all the other people who are waiting on this information?!?!????

     

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    Jennifer Kayne

    NCARB are you able to tell us which jurisdictions hold for an extra day and what time the results will be released?

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    Christopher Branch

    Just received PPD score in Hawaii. Passed and all done, what a relief!

    Good luck to all those awaiting scores and completing their journey. You can do it!

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    Stephen Fish

    This is on-brand for NCARB, not exactly surprising the way this was handled.

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    Jacquelyn Montemage

    So when did the 24hr period begin for NY?

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    Erin Primerano

    To all NY'ers...I spoke again to NY State board, Robert Lopez is the man in charge with the answers, apparently the only one that knows anything as to why the hold on the release, but they "can not" transfer my call, nor give me any additional info...so this is on NY State, not NCARB...but  as NY'ers we really aren't surprised are we? 

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    Thomas Hill

    Thank you!

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    Afxentis Christoforou

    Thanks for the update and transparency!

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    Wenqi Huang

    Hello NCARB,

    Any updates about the releasing date of other divisions except PCM?

    Thanks,

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    Laura Bedus

    I agree with Michael and Jennifer...I am waiting for the score report for my final two exams and it has been stressful not knowing when I would find out if I have passed or not.  I only happened to click on this post yesterday and see these updates.  I was expecting another email as soon as the 400 test mark had been reached (not just "early-february") so that I could at least have peace of mind as to when I would find out.

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    Katheryn L Mollet

    I received a passing score for PPD at 4:34 AM. I am refreshing my exam page on my NCARB login to check. I am still awaiting PDD, but from what I understand that was one of the last divisions to be reached so I am patiently waiting. Make sure to check there first, as an email from NCARB may be delayed.

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    NCARB

    Rubi,

    PcM scores are being processed now and will be released to jurisdictions on Wednesday morning of this week. Most jurisdictions release scores almost immediately, but some do hold them for a day or so for internal processing. If you are waiting on a PcM score, you will likely have your results before the end of the week.

    Provisional feedback for all future PcM divisions will be enabled on Thursday of this week. Anyone who takes PcM on or after this Thursday should expect to receive that score report within a couple days of testing based on their jurisdiction's normal policy.

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    NCARB

    Laura,

    When the early candidates were taking the exam over the past several weeks, the system would score each individual item as we needed to understand this item level performance as a factor in establishing the new cut score for that division. What did not happen, because there was no cut score set, is a determination of an over "pass" or "fail" decision. Now that the cut scores have been set for all remaining divisions, NCARB has entered the cut score value for each form into the system and will rescore all of the previous administrations today. This will generate a "pass" or "fail" determination that will be imported into the candidate management system tomorrow morning.

    The vast majority of candidates awaiting a score will see their score on Friday. We do have a handful of jurisdictional licensing boards that have an additional one-day wait setup so the Board can review the results first. If your testing eligibilities were granted through one of those jurisdictions, your score won't post until Saturday morning.

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    Michael Riscica (Edited )

    NCARB, 

    Why aren't you communicating this information to your Stakeholder's and only sharing this in random posts???

    Are you purposely trying to create more confusion and rumors????

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    Michael Riscica

    NCARB, 

    In our recent, NCARB By Their Stakeholder's report, 72% of the 1,114 people we surveyed said they felt dissatisfied with NCARB's handling of 2020.   I find it very hard to believe that NCARB's Stakeholders are upset with NCARB for OVER COMMUNICATING with them or being transparent about what is happening behind the scenes. 

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    Jacquelyn Montemage

    Nope! (NY) 

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    Laura Bedus

    Good to know I'm not the only one going crazy and refreshing the page every 2 minutes...these are (hopefully) my last two exams (NY)

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    Jennifer Kayne

    NCARB - So in NY it may post today or we definitely wont get it until Saturday or Sunday?

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