Cross Studying 4.0 with 5.0

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    Kathleen Hogan

    Hi Tasanee,

    I too did not pass the Practice Management exam and I studied from Brightwood, Schiff Hardin Lectures,skimmed over chapters in AHPP and read the one Ballast chapter tailored for the ARE 5.0. I felt a little bit 'cheated' by the study materials because they were extremely simplified and it made me feel like the exam would be easy to pass. Ten minutes into taking my exam, I felt like I wanted to quit; I totally felt underprepared!

    I feel that the ARE exam's language is more complex than the study materials. It was like I was studying "Fun with Dick and Jane" and the exam was "Moby Dick", if that makes any sense.

    I've decided to study the Brightwood material in 2 days (the language is simple enough to read and take the brief exams at the end of each chapter, plus the material overlaps with the Practice Management portion) and focus heavily on reading the AHPP and taking the practice exams from CDS and PPP (ARE 4.0). I'm going to take Project Management at the end of the month so I will let you know if this method works or not.

    Good Luck!!

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    Chelsea Hoffman

    Hi Tasanee - sorry to hear about PcM. I'm pretty much in the same boat. I also failed a few months ago.

    After that I decided to study for PcM, PjM, and CE at the same time. I just took PjM this past Monday and passed. I have my retake of PcM next Tuesday and CE is scheduled for the end of the month. Fingers crossed for PcM, I'm still super nervous about it.

    Making sure I really knew the contracts made a HUGE difference for me, which I annotated as I listened to the Schiff Hardin lectures. And of course reading AHPP, which I ended up basically doing twice - once before my first attempt at PcM and then again for PjM and PcM combined. I did take the CD and PPP 4.0 Ballast practice tests before I took PcM. I'd like to think they were helpful with how questions are formatted, but I haven't revisited them since I failed (at least not yet). I also bought the PjM bundle on Designer Hacks because I still wanted practice questions. I'm not sure that I would buy bundles in the future. They have a free 25 question version for each division you can try out.

    Good luck!

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    Tasanee Durrett (Edited )

    Kathleen,

     

    Thank you so much for sharing your experiences! My first try at PcM, I received all 3's, and my first time at PjM I received 2's, 3's and a 4.  So I started using Pluralsight, Archiflash, Designer Hacks, ballast, Gang Chen's books, and AHPP 15th Ed. I'm understanding way more this time around for my second stab at PcM and PjM! 

    I take PcM on the 18th and I am contemplating on whether or not I want to take PjM a week after or 2 days after. I will most definitely keep you updated!

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    Tasanee Durrett

    Chelsea,

    First off, A huge CONGRATS TO YOU! That's a huge feat!

    I am 100% with you on studying PcM, PjM and CE at the same time. It truly has made a difference with my understanding of the content. 

    My first exam that I took was PcM and I changed my study habits and resources immediately after I had failed. The Hardin lectures are amazing and I also have just recently bought the PcM bundle from Designer Hacks which has been fairly helpful so far. I will surely invest in the PjM bundle too. Also, have you looked into Black Spectacles? They are a great resource too.

    I retake PcM in 2 weeks, and I'm debating on when I should retake PjM. The Project Execution was my weakest area so I am really focusing on that section while studying. 

    Good luck next Tuesday!

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    Briana Jones

    Tasanee,

    Hello! I took Practice Management about a month ago and passed 1st try while using some 4.0 notes (Jennie's notes and Caroline's notes). I found them both very helpful for contracts and was able to easily find them online, alongside 5.0 material and AHPP. Best! 

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    Matthew Brooks

    First off make sure you have the latest version of the ARE 5.0 Handbook. The earlier versions were missing vital information to taking the exams.

    For the 5.0 exams you are really better off reading the source material cited in the ARE 5.0 Handbook "references" at the end of each section's description. 90-95% of the questions will be derived from the primary source material. The remaining 5-10% may come from the additional references listed in the ARE 5.0 Reference Matrix at the end of the ARE 5.0 Handbook or general work experience (the subject material will be related to the primary material, but the specificity of the questions are often something that if you haven't read it in the additional material or come across it while working, odds are the question will be an educated guess).

    Also realize that one can rotate objects in drag and place questions with a right click, some answers may not be marked correct if the placed objects aren't at the proper orientation. I didn't know that until reading these forums tonight.

    NCARB doesn't provide an instructions intro screen informing test takers of the rotate feature. It is not mentioned in context of questions. And if you were a big user of the ARE 5.0 handbook and didn't know there were multiple editions, then you wouldn't be aware this function even existed. . =(

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    Tasanee Durrett

    Briana,

     

    Thank you for this! Congratulations on your pass!  I took mine a couple of weeks ago for the 2nd time around and passed!  1 down, 5 more to go!

     

     

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    Tasanee Durrett

    Matthew,

     

    Thank you for your advice! I am starting to notice this too that all you truly need are the references in he Handbook. I feel as though I was focusing too heavily on 3rd party materials when I first dove into studying. Now, having passed one, I've learned that the Handbook is your best friend.

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    Briana Jones

    Tasanee,

    Congrats! PcM pass but no PjM pass since we last spoke, surely following many's approach in AHPP and contacts. I' think I'm going to move to CE and then circle back to PjM in hopes that I fill in the overlaps.

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    Tasanee Durrett

    Briana,

     

    Thank you! I am following that same logic of moving on to CE and then going back to PjM.

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    Briana Jones

    Awesome! I started looking into CSI's Practice Guide and applicable chapters pertaining to 5.0 handbook and will re-read contracts better/again and some people have suggested looking at CA projects or graphic standards. What is your approach? I am surely open to any and everything helpful. I don't have much CA experience but will have more soon and will look at ongoing project in the office as a reference.

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    Tasanee Durrett

    Briana,

     

    CSI's guide is a great resource! I've utilized it quite a bit myself. That sounds like a great strategy!

    I've been working on CA for a few months so hopefully this little bit of knowledge will help with studying/ preparing. I'm also reading Ching's Building Construction Illustrated book and the Fundamentals of Building Construction book.

    My main concern is figuring out the algebraic word problems though. I'm having such a hard time with some of them so I really need to brush up on my problem solving in that sense. Do you have any suggestions or know of any resources that are about architectural mathematics?

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    Briana Jones

    Awesome. I have both of those books actually and I agree I will try to look to those even tho there's so much info there. Ahhh hard to focus. I wish I knew a resource for more problems but that's where I use the handbooks examples and hope they are no harder than those and drill myself over and over. Here is where just to get more practice I do peruse ballasts exams to do the same. Sometimes those are more detailed than the exam so I don't get too hung up on them but those are my weak points too. If I hear anything else on resources I will let you know! Have you set a date yet for CE? I'm thinking February just to balance keeping things moving while also giving CE the attention it needs and revisiting contracts bc I was a 3 on that portion with PjM.

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    Tasanee Durrett

    Briana,

    Same here. ballast and the Gang Chen practice Exams. Black spectacles has great mock exams on YouTube as well! Thanks so much! Have you tried listening to Kevin G's pluralsight videos? They have truly helped master, and I mean MASTER the contracts. I'm sure they will help you out too.

     

    I'm most def. going to really crack down on practice exams for this one while reading through the other resources we discussed. I scheduled CE for Feb. 5th. This gives me enough time to review contracts and go over the CE divisions. I like to leave the last week to just review and do practice exams and case study examples.

     

    It looks like we are thinking on the same page with taking CE and PJM. I haven't scheduled PJM yet, but I plan on taking it the end of Feb. once the 60 day period is up.

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    Briana Jones

    Tasanee,

    Go girl. I would love to touch base with you come February. I did use Pluralsight and found it very useful. Some of Schiff harden but found my mind wandering sometimes. That's why I was surprised with the 3! But I will revisit all and any options I'm aware of. That sounds like a great attack, I usually use the last week and a half or so to really final attack everything. I need to set my date so I get a little more serious but am thinking anywhere from second to last week in February. End of February seems like way too much time yet somehow we are also coming up on second week of January so maybe not. I've never tried Gang Chen. Is that something on Amazon/pricey?

    My 60 day period is up sometime around February 29. Literally on similar tracks so I'm happy to be of resource if I can. Best of luck to you!

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    Tasanee Durrett

    Briana,

     

    Most definitely! Do you mind exchanging emails? Mine is tkdurrett@email.arizona.edu.

     

    That sounds like a good plan! It's better to have a few extra days than to not have enough days to study! 

    Honestly, I think that his 5.0 books are a bit over priced, but the prices aren't too bad. I think that the 4.0 material has been truly helpful and is far more affordable.

    It's great to be able to relate to someone going the same path! I really appreciate your help and will keep you updated on anything that I find.  Good luck to you too!

     

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    Briana Jones

    Tasanee,

    Just scheduled mine for the Friday of yours, Feb 9. Sure thing and thanks for offering bnjones052015@gmail.com, you've been very helpful, as well. I just ordered Gang Chen for CE (luckily my firm will more than likely reimburse me) but I'm excited to look into it along with everything else and see what the hype is about. Best to you too, and feel free to reach out!

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    Tasanee Durrett

    Briana,

     

    Nice! Thanks for the email. Hopefully Gang Chen will help you as much as it has been helping me. See you on the other side of passing the CE!

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