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    Priyanka Sarda

    I was just about to post a similar question and saw this post. 

    I received my evaluation and need 3 credits in laws and regulations too! Did you find any courses to satisfy the deficiency?   

    Anyone else had to deal with this?

    Thanks!

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    Alma Vida Matta

    Hello,

    I had the same problem before. When I received my evaluation from NAAB; I needed 3 credits in English Composition. I went to Community College here in Las Vegas and get a copy and description of the subject English composition. I emailed it to NCARB if this subject and credits will suffice the shortage. After I got the approval from NCARB, I took that subject for 1 semester. But be sure to check and ask for the approval of the Dean of English department if they will allow you to take this subject. Because English Composition have 2 or 3 pre requisite courses before you can take the English Composition. I think you need to finish English 1 and 2 before taking it. Since I already took English 1 to 4 before and submitted my school records to the Dean of English Department , they allowed me to enroll in English Composition without taking the pre requisite courses.

     

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall (Edited )

    I currently have the same problem with English Composition and need to satisfy 18 credits. From NCARB education guidelines, we can use CLEP to satisfy any deficiency in the general education. It's not costly at all, you'll earn 3 credit per exam, the exam will cost around $90. Other way, but it's pricey, is to take English composition online courses form Phoenix University.

    As for professional conduct, law and regulation. Boston Architecture College offers 3 courses with 3 credits total. They are fully online. Each course will take around 2 months to finish and it's available biannually.

    SIU offers 2 courses online for professional conduct and regulation each one will give you 3 credits, 6 credit total, 5 months duration for each. SIU requires official college transcript and TOEFL score above 80 for iBT. BAC has no requirements.

    As I'm eligible to enter the ARE through Foreign Architect Path to certification, I have postponed satisfying my deficiency after being license in one state does accept  Foreign Architect Path to certification.

    Ready to answer any question.

     

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    Priyanka Sarda

    Thanks for the responses. The professional Practice credits are not the easiest to find. I need 3 credits in Laws and Regulations (required) and 3 in any of the following - Stakeholder Roles in Architecture, Business Management,  Ethics and Professional Conduct.

    Does anybody know if classes at community college or CLEP can satisfy these requirements?

    Haytham, Can you please share the names of the online courses at BAC?

     

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    Priyanka,

    Go to NCARB Education Guidelines page 25 / 31, you'll see further info about CLEP.

    Since you need 6 credits, you may go to take both course in BAC and SIU. It will take long time to finish them, that's why I decided yo finish the ARE first.

    Online courses at BAC:

    TSM3044 Practice Management

    TSM3045 Project Management

    TSM3046 Construction and Evaluation

    Navigate: http://the-bac.edu/academics/school-of-architecture/master-of-architecture/master-of-architecture-online/master-of-architecture-online-curriculum

    Please let me know if you have further question.

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    Justin Beckner

    I am interested in this discussion. Quick background, I am currently sitting for the ARE in Maryland using work experience in lieu of the education requirement. I have passed PA and PcM and going down the line until I get them all done. I have emailed and spoken with NCARB and NAAB concerning the EESA evaluation, and in general I either get directed to their respective websites and/or just told that I must wait until I am registered and practice for 3 years. I just want some general information on what to expect with the evaluation, and whether I could be doing things now that may help me out down the road. I have an Associated degree in Architectural/Engineering Technology from community college, and various credits from Virginia Tech majoring in Building Construction. I also have a few credits from ODU majoring in Engineering for a total of approximately 116 credits (some obviously are overlapping since I changed around a little). Can anyone give me any insight on what to expect from my future EESA eval? Am I looking at a big hurdle there to get over? I have worked for an architectural firm for about 14 years and have had many roles in many projects from start to finish. I know everybody is different and each EESA evaluation is specific to each person, but any insight or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    Hi Justin,

    Could you please explain what you're referring to under " must wait until I am registered and practice for 3 years"

    I'm sharing the same case with you, I have my ESSA-NAAB evaluation with 28 credits deficiency and I'm studying  for ARE under Foreign Architect Path to certification. Spent considerable time searching for online courses to balance my deficiencies, but it seems to take 1 year or more to finish them. Decided to finish the ARE first.

     

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    Priyanka Sarda

    Justin, I got the feeling that EESA kind of does not care about your work experience. I was told specifically by NAAB-EESA that they will not consider work experience in lieu of education deficiency. Since my deficiency in is Professional Practice and the subjects they want me to study are building codes, laws, accessibility etc. (things I have dealt with in my 12 years of work experience at architectural firms), I was hoping my work experience might suffice, but they need me to get the additional credits.

    I've seen that 'wait until I am registered and practice for 3 years' part and not quite sure how that works. 

     

     

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    Priyanka,

    The main issue with satisfying the deficiency is thant NAAB- ESSA considers the college credit as a one hour NCARB education credit. Meaning, in order to satisfy 3 credits in law and regulations, you may need to take all the BAC 3 courses of professional practice and you can't double dip...even though they have a considerable information about ethic and professional conduct.

    In my recent research, I found Southern Illinois University offers 2 course , 3 credit for each addressing the above 2 subjects, they were part of the NAAB Online Master Degree courses but you can taking them individually. Of course after obtaining NAAB approval.

    If any one knows other college / university that offer online courses for those subjects. Please list them.

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    Justin Beckner

    Haytham and Priyanka, thank you for the replies. Let me try to clarify what and why I am asking. My end goal is to receive my NCARB certificate in order to be licensed in multiple states. Per NCARB education alternative guidelines, you have 3 options to satisfy the education requirements. In all cases you must be registered and have practiced for 3 years before either option is applicable. One option is to have a bachelors degree in a architecture related field of study and complete twice the AXP hours. The other two options are for those that have no 4 year degree. If I have more than 64 college credits (which I do) then NCARB requires an EESA evaluation and then any deficiencies must be satisfied by either additional credits OR by submitting a portfolio. If a candidate has less than 64 credits then they cannot get an EESA evaluation and must satisfy all requirements via a portfolio through NCARB.
    So, is the only way to satisfy deficiencies through additional classes? Or does NCARB allow me to submit specific documentation of experience (whether it be design, professional practice, construction documentation, etc).
    I will have 3 years once licensed in Maryland before any of this is even an option. So if I could take some classes in that time or spend some time putting together a portfolio it could expedite getting my NCARB certificate when that opportunity is available.
    I really hope my rambling makes sense. Hopefully someone from NCARB can chime in. Like I said, I have emailed and called both NCARB and NAAB multiple times and don’t get any specific info on the process. Thanks in advance.

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    Justin,

    You stated that you have +14 years experience, and you'll will be following Method # 2 education alternative, documenting 2 X AXP, NCARB Education Guidelines page 15 of 31.

    I read this page carefully and it doesn't state that you need to have part from these experience after being license. Please explain why 14 years won't qualify for 2 AXP, I have the same case with 9000 AXP hours.

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    Justin Beckner

    Haythem,

    Again, thanks for the reply. I think I have a better understanding after researching this a bit more. I would have to follow Method #2, but must complete the NCARB Certificate Portfolio (not the 2X AXP hours) since I do not hold a 4 year degree. My understanding is that I can satisfy any deficiencies from the EESA evaluation through additional education OR the online portfolio. So that answers my question. I feel certain that there will be some deficiencies that work experience may not help out with (i.e. the areas mentioned in the original post), but I will cross that bridge when I get there.

    As far as the EESA evaluation itself, can I get that at any time once licensed? Specifically, can I get the evaluation and work towards satisfying any deficiencies WHILE I am gaining my 3 years of experience as a registered architect (per NCARB education alternative requirements)? Or is the required experience a prerequisite for the EESA eval?

    I do understand that this is hypothetical at this point since I am not licensed yet, but I feel like it would be beneficial for me to know what to expect.

    Thanks,

    Justin

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    To have EESA-NAAB evaluation, contact NCARB and they’ll open a window for that evaluation. Once you pay the fee and NAAB received the official transcript directly from the college, you’ll receive the evaluation within 4-5 weeks.

    I did the above process entirely, please let me if you have any further questions ?

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    Yes you can do 3 courses for Laws and Regulation from BAC, they have 3 online courses for PcM, PjM and CE. Which pass you're pursuing ? Is it Foreign Architect Certification Applicant ? Then you don't need all the above, However, normal pass does request to satisfy your education prior to start taking the ARE.

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    Faris,

    Please e-mail me on: haythammohamed_abdelrahman@yahoo.com

    Will see how can we contact directly. I'm open for discussion at any time.

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    Farimah Ansar Shorijeh

    Hi,
    I got my degree from foreign counrty & Im submitting my degree to NAAB for EESA evaluation. I was reading these helpful comments and saw some common deficiencies that everyone got.I would like to know if I got the same deficiencies do i need the toefl to take these courses? I would really appreciate if anyone can help.
    Thanks,

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    Toefl is required for any courses from South illinois university

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    Farimah Ansar Shorijeh

    Thanks, Also should i get my degree evaluated first and then start to report my AXP? or it doesn't matter, i can report my AXP during im taking the courses?

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    Presiska Nurhairani

    Hello Everyone.

    I see from Haytham comment that 

    The College Level Examination Program (CLEP) can be used to satisfy the general education requirement. 
     
    Right now I needs 14 General Education Include 3 in EN
     
    The question-1 is, when i see the CLEP website (if this is the right one)
     
     
    I confused which test i need to take especially in English Composition  credit.
    And how they decided how much credit we get from each test that we take.
     
    And another question-2; i already received EESA evaluation since last year but I do not have any time yet (still make living)
    Is there any time requirement for you to finish all of these?
     
    Thank You.
    Pre.
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    Negar Salehi

    Haytham or anyone that can help,

    I need to complete 3 unites in Laws & Regulations and 1 unite in Professional Conduct & ethics.

    Can you please tell me which courses are you refering to in Southern Illinois University? I don't see any courses in their Online program that satisfy these two subjects. Please let me know which one you are taking.

    Thanks

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    Negar Salehi

    Thank you Haytham.

    Can we use ARC 591 and ARC 592 for Laws and regulations too?

    They totally can cover professional conduct and ethics but I don't know about laws and regulations.

    Thank you so much for your response.

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    You need to download the course description and send it to ESSA-NAAB for their approval.

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    Huseyin Yilmaz (Edited )

    Hi all,

    I see that NCARB is not clearly explaining how people should choose paths and under which conditions. I had my evaluation started in 2008 and during my life 'deficiencies ' i couldn't continue on my evaluations. My total deficiencies were 18 + Professional practice. Finally, I am having 3 more credit to finalize this long long run of evaluation. I am a licensed Architect in my home country, my question is what kind of documents + portfolio is required for NCARB to satisfy their AXP expectations? Anybody knows or experienced about this? I am feeling that I searched and worked those Gen ed. courses for nothing.. Spent tons of money and time, also needed to work and taking care of the family in NYC etc... 

    Mr. Haytam, Thank you for your links and it was a real hassle and complexity to find ONLINE courses for Professional Practice. You helped a lot, sir.

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    Haytham Abdelrahman Abdelall

    You don't need to complete the AXP to start the ARE, did you try foreign architect path to NCARB certification since you're registered architect in your home country.?

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    Huseyin Yilmaz

    I have completed my IDP back in 2008 and that time there was no other alternative like AXP' or as far I know. So I do not need to go back and fill the hours again for AXP. For my situation, I am a foreign registered Architect completed IDP and has a credit deficiency Jr. Architect in the USA.I am thinking if I am an RA in my country, will this effect to pass this EESA_NAAB hassle? 

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    Michelle NCARB

    Huseyin,

    I recommend contacting the NCARB specialists who can best assist with foreign architect path questions.  You can reach out via email: foreignarchitect@ncarb.org

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    Farimah Ansar Shorijeh

    Hi everyone,

    I am studying for ARE exams currently but haven't done my EESA evaluation yet. I decided to do a Master's degree in Architecture instead which is accredited itself. Any of you guys that made your degree accredited and haven't held a degree from the US universities in here?? I really would like to know if you could find a good job in a well-known company without spending time on a Mater's degree and becoming a registered architect would do the same.

    I would really appreciate any advice.

    Thanks,

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    Presiska Nurhairani

    Hi Farimah, i still not done with that all deficiency and not doing master either, and between want to do it or not, because i have a lot of job right now so do not have time for that and i will say your salary base on your ability ( for me, not from "registered label"). My bos doesn't seems need me to be registered, since i do all the job and He checked and signed. So its depends on who you work with and your ability i guess. Since i work well (not lazy , motivated and want understand what am i doing, etc) I do not think there will be any problem. Hope its help! Good Luck!

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    Natasha Hernandez

    Hello everyone,

    I got recently my EESA Evaluation and I need to fulfill (3) credits in Human Behavior, I'd appreciate if anyone is in the same situation and has an idea where I can take it online, thanks in advance!

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