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    Daniel Widlowski

    Ryan, 

    How long does it take from when you get the required number of test to calculate the cut score? Is it a 5 minute computer calculation, or does it take a month to work it all out?

    The news about PPD is promising, but the PDD numbers seem to have stagnated, and just wondering how long this division will end up taking to score....

     

    Thank you!

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    Ryan NCARB

    Oh Daniel, I really wish it was a five minute computer calculation.  That would have made this a lot easier!

    THIS BLOG article helps explain it a little more.

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    Timothy Galano

    Goodness, another month :(

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    Darryl Jackson

    HA! It was all fun and games until the 600 was reached....

     

    Good luck to everyone who took PPD.  I'm waiting for PDD to reach 600. Only 285 to go...

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    Layne Hunton

    Don't worry Darryl, just March for the other 285, and then another month to grade.

     

    We will definitely see those reports by April. D:

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    Daniel Clavijo

    Ryan,

    Does beginning the cut score process mean that as of this moment 600 people have taken the Project Planning & Design Exam?

    or

    Does beginning the cut score process mean that 600 people have registered for (not necessarily taken) the Project Planning & Design Exam and once 600 people have taken the exam and that analysis is complete scores will be sent out?

    Curious because I am taking the Project Planning & Design Exam tomorrow and just wanted to know if I am among the first 600 to take the exam.

    Thank you for the info and keeping the counter up-to-date.

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    Ryan NCARB

    Hey Daniel, 

    I'm not sure when the final data pull is being done (or was done), so I don't know if you will be included or not.  Either way, if you are testing tomorrow, you will still be receiving the $100 gift card and have your score report released as part of the first batch to go out in mid-February!

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    Daniel Clavijo

    Thank you Ryan. Anyway of knowing when the final data pull is being or was done? Would you suggest I contact NCARB customer service or is there another way of knowing?

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    Ryan NCARB

    Daniel, Customer Service would not know this either.  It has no impact on your results if you are number 559 or 601.

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    Joshua Workman

    Ryan,
    So, let's say you establish a cut score by mid February, and I take the exam in March. What kind of delays can we expect with ARE 5 score reports? I remember hearing something about nearly instantaneous results being a goal at some point, but that it would only happen later. Any word on how long it will take for new testers to receive results after the initial wave is scored?

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    Christine Mowen

    I was wondering the same thing, Joshua! I'm taking PPD Jan 31st and PDD Feb 27th. I don't know if I'll be in the first wave of scoring for PPD so knowing how long the wait will be once the first wave is done and the cut score is complete will make me far less anxious.

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    Joanne Gray

    I have already received a $100 gift card for taking PCM early.  If I take another test early will I receive an additional gift card?  Thanks!

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    Ryan NCARB

    Hey everyone...

    So Joshua and Christine, great question.  Once the cut score is established in a division, then all future exams in that division will be released (through your NCARB Record) within a couple of days!  Let's say the cut score for CE is established and final tomorrow - it won't be, but work with me.  All of the folks that have been waiting on score reports will begin to receive theirs within a few days.  If you take CE next week, then you will also receive yours within a couple of days of your test.  Make sense?

    In the future, we do have the ability to provide provisional scores in the test center, but it won't be something we can do until ALL of the cut scores are established.

     

    And Joanne, yep!  As long as you are one of the first 600 testers in a division and the cut score hasn't been set, then you can keep collecting gift cards on us.

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    Chelsea Edgerton

    Hi Ryan,

    Sorry if someone already asked this - but I see the new "early test date" for PDD was released for Feb. 28. Do you have to take the exam before that date, or register for an exam before that date to be considered an early tester? Thanks!

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    Megan Dougherty

    The Early Test Seat Credit, will this be valid for a year from when we take the test or when we recieve our pass/fail notification

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    Joshua Workman

    While we are making a list of questions, Ryan: will candidates get a retake credit for each test the do early (as they do with the $100 gift cards)? Common sense says yes, but I just want to clarify for curiosity's sake that if I go and take 2 tests in February (and end up failing both) will I get a free retake credit for each?

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    Ryan NCARB

    Chelsea, Megan, and Joshua...I'm going to shift your questions over to THIS THREAD since it the same topic.

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    Imani Day

    I just called and e-mailed to see if NCARB would allow me to switch a currently scheduled 4.0 exam to transition and take a 5.0 exam sooner, no luck. If these incentives made you change your mind and want to transition, hopefully you didn't plan to actually take any more 4.0 exams or have any scheduled! I'd have to postpone testing for a full month and forfeit the cost of my 4.0 exam..... Seems pretty silly to put out so many incentives and then not allow people to change their minds! 

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    Layne Hunton

    Imani, I would imagine the reason they can't is because when you pay, you pay to reserve a seat, so Prometric then has you down in the system and the seat is held. Their agreement likely has something that equates to NCARB's policy on changing your test date.

    Otherwise people would sign up to reserve a date, then bail and they would quickly be out of business. So it's probably a technical matter. But I would agree it's silly if they didn't allow you to forfeit the money/payment for the 4.0 test and then transition to 5.0, and pay for those tests.

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    Robert Law

    Ryan,

    I have already taken PDD this month and I would like to take advantage of the free re-take (if needed) to take the PPD exam prior to the Jan. 31 deadline.  The problem is however that in order to see if there are any seats available prior to Jan. 31 you have to pay for the exam seat.... IS there any way to check if any seats are actually available...I would rather not use my credit until I have to or am ready to.

     

    Thanks a lot!  This is a great thing NCARB is doing.

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    Ryan NCARB

    Imani,

    Layne is partially correct.  You are not able to just transfer seats because they are entirely different systems.  NCARB Customer Service told you correctly.  You are absolutely allowed to switch to ARE 5.0 whenever you want, but you will forfeit any ARE 4.0 divisions you currently have scheduled.

     

    And Robert,

    Unfortunately it doesn't quite work that way.  Assuming you failed PPD and earn a free seat credit (which let's just say I hope you don't fail!), that seat credit won't be applied to your NCARB Record until the score reports are released in mid-February.  The timing doesn't quite work with what it sounds like you are hoping to do.  I recommend just scheduling and taking PDD, and then IF you earn a seat credit for that or PPD, apply it towards the retake.

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    Imani Day

    Ryan,

    Nobody mentioned being able to transition at any time-- they said I would have to wait until the scheduled exam date has passed and the exam is scored to be able to schedule a 5.0 exam. Is that true? I hope you're right! 

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    Courtney Haddick

    Ryan,

    I unfortunately ran into a similar problem to that of Robert--though not involving trying to use the free credit (I also took a different exam early and am awaiting results, but I wasn't planning on getting a retake. Just hoping I passed). Which leads to feedback on the way you now pay for the exams. As stands, you have to pay for your exam before you can even look at the schedule. I am pretty tight on cash myself, and was waiting to take PPD and PDD until my budget was a bit friendlier next month. 

    With the new incentives, I was eager to schedule PPD before the end of the month to take advantage of the free retake (I have been studying for it but was waiting a few weeks for the sake of my budget, and thought I was actually prepared to test). Unfortunately, the only way to possibly view testing center seat availability is to pay for the exam first. I live near three testing centers and bit the bullet as soon as I saw the new announcement and paid for the exam. Turns out, there were no seats available until February for any of the testing centers, so in the end it didn't matter regardless. 

    I realize I will still be able to use this credit for the exam when I schedule it in February, I am just kicking myself now because I really couldn't afford it until my next paycheck. In 4.0 you could see the exam scheduling before you had to pay for the exam. If that were still the case, I wouldn't have paid for it yet--the ONLY reason I did so was because I would have been able to retake it for free (plus the $100 gift card). 

    It's just crummy. Ultimately what I am getting at is it really would be nice if you could still see the exam schedule openings BEFORE you fork up the cash. In this particular scenario it's left me eating ramen for a week, all for an incentive I wasn't able to receive after all. 

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    Ryan NCARB

    Imani...you are able to transition to ARE 5.0 anytime you want.  In order to transition, you will need to cancel your ARE 4.0 division(s) and then you will have the ability to transition within your NCARB Record. HOWEVER, please know that if cancel an ARE 4.0 division then you will lose the fee for that exam.  We are not able to transfer or refund exam fees as a result of transitioning.  You cannot be both an ARE 4.0 candidate and an ARE 5.0 candidate at the same time.

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    Robert Law

    Ryan,

     

    Sorry for my poorly worded question...  forget I mentioned PDD.

    Any way to find out if there are available seats of PPD prior to paying?  I see no need to pay for an exam seat right now if I can't take advantage of the early tester perks prior to the Jan. 31st deadline for PPD.

    I hope that makes more sense....  Thanks.

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    Robert Law

    I am in the exact same situation as Courtney but I have not paid yet...waiting for some clarification.  Thanks and sorry to clutter the message board.

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    James Glenn

    There is a way to see available seats prior to paying for the exam. The process is located in this thread:

    https://are5community.ncarb.org/hc/en-us/community/posts/115000450487-How-to-view-Available-Seats-at-Prometric-without-paying-transitioning-first-

     

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    Courtney Haddick

    James,

    Thank you so much for sharing!! Wish I had seen this yesterday, but that is really helpful. Better late than never!

    Cheers

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    Ryan NCARB

    Please keep in mind, you must schedule your appointment a minimum of three business days in advance of the test date. Saturday and Sunday are NOT considered business days. Walk-in appointments are not allowed.

    See Page 9 of the ARE 5.0 Guidelines.

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    Imani Day

    Ryan,

    Interesting... I was also told it's impossible to cancel an exam! I can't cancel online, what's the best way to cancel my 4.0 exam?

     

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